That comparison is of course relevant. This is a "Win now"- and "What have you done for me lately"- League. Chad Pennington wins that individual comparison this year. The result of the comparison is relevant. Chad Pennington wins. Is the " Why ? " relevant as well ? No to all of us, it seems.... CP flourishes in a new system and coaches being able to adjust their gameplanning to him. The Jets CS could not do that with Brett Favre. Brett coming in so late did not work well ( was this team not 4-12 last year and is 9-6 now ?), if he comes back, he ought to work out like in the 2007 offseason...then we'll see another comparison.
Here's another fact for you while you're rooting for the Dolphins if New England wins and we win, the Chad Pennington Dolphins will have come in third place in the AFC East. If that in fact happens both Chad and Favre will have lead their teams to squat.
Then I'd rather have squat and a draft pick back and QB that is 8 years younger and coming back next year. If the Jets don't win the division or make the playoffs, the Favre deal was a failure. Period. I thought this franchise would have learned its lessons about chasing stars in the twilight of their careers when that strategy failed in the mid 90's. Favre and Law had no business being on this roster.
Oh, I agree completely. Favre definitely deserves some of the blame. I just think the offensive philosophy of the coaches, more specifically the OC, is the most to blame for the offensive inconsistencies. They've come up with some great gameplans and then other times, the gameplan just flat out sucks. I think the "gameplan specific" mantra of the coaching staff is what's holding the team back. The Pats can get away with it, because they make great adjustments when things don't go their way. They can do this because of the overall experience of their coaching staff. Our CS is largely inexperienced, and doesn't seem to make adjustments on the fly well. Just look at the Giants for a comparison. For a couple of games, they had seemingly forgotten they were a smash-mouth, run-oriented team and lost a couple of games. Then they run for 300yds to get back their identity. We have no identity on offense because it changes week to week. We have an identity on defense, but it's just that they suck with this overly passive prevent defense over 90% of the game.
It's also ironic to me that, with Pennington at QB, making the playoffs and losing was a failure while with Favre, making the playoffs is a success. I thought Pennington deserved to be jettisoned because he could only take a team to a "certain level" but not past that. Now that level is where these fans want to be and are content with that. IMO, Favre needed to take this team to a title or it just wasn't worth it. One and done in the playoffs does nothing for me either - we had that three times with Pennington. Not making the playoffs is an abject failure and that never happened in any season that Pennnington played at least 10 games.
Well we had higher expectations for Pennington in past years, but without the trade, I would have probably hoped for 8 wins going into the season or something. Favre made me think we could get 10 wins and a wild card (I of course at the time thought the Pats would dominate with Brady). Also, you say that Pennington never missed the playoffs if he played 10 games...Let's say we don't make the trade, and it's the day before week 1. Gun to your head, are you saying you expect Pennington to play 10 games? It's not like that was a certainty ever.
Why would you want a younger QB with a crappy arm who didn't lead his team to the playoffs in a year when the Pats starter was done? You enjoy not having a shot to every have a dominating team again? You think Pennington is going to be playing high quality football at 39? He has had 2 good seasons in his entire career prior to this one. The only mortage of our future this year appears to be the pick of Gholston in the draft at No. 6 some one you wanted over even Matt Ryan if I'm not mistaken?
Man, I respect your view but anything less than a title? Seriously? After the Jets were 4-12, you expect Favre to come in August and win a SUPER BOWL? Or else it isn't worth it? If you solely watch the Jets to win Super Bowls or else, then I don't get your obsession with Pennington. He never got us near a Super Bowl and you love him. So if we made it to the playoffs, won a few games, made it to the conference title game, you think it wasn't worth it? The excitement of that season is not enough for you? This seems to be the view of someone hedging their bet in case the Dolphins lose on Sunday.
I think his point might be that getting Favre when he may only play this one year would be a waste if we don't win it all. What is the point of getting a HOF QB who may be playing his last season if the expectations weren't a Super Bowl? So if Favre were to somehow will us to the playoffs on Sunday, and then get ousted in the first round of the playoffs, and then retire, you would consider that a successful season? I was willing to accept an up and down season from Clemens if he was the starter, but I definitely expected more than what we've been given this year once they got Favre. He's been horrible this past month when we've needed him the most.
This post is pretty much a slam dunk in my opinion. How else could we go out and get a HoF player and have him looking like "bad" Pennington for much of the season? Things have been very inconsistent offensively (ok, probably on defense too), and when that continues despite having upgraded at the QB position I think looking at the CS and specifically the OC is a logical question at this point.
Exactly!! I was actually hoping we'd have him for two years. I wasn't sold we were quite ready this year, and was hoping it was a 2 year drive to get to the Super Bowl. That would also give us enough time to groom the next guy, or hopefully FIND him. The way it looks now is we'll likely see Favre drift back to the old folks home and we'll be looking who at QB? It is easy to say now that I'd rather have Pennington back, but this whole thing with Favre was a hell of a gamble and a lot of folks said this org didn't have the balls to do something like this (turns out they did), so from that perspective you have to respect them for the move itself.
I understand your sentiments, but last I checked, both young QB's are still on the roster, and still being groomed. Grooming usually doesn't involve seeing the field, because once you see the field. generally your a starter, and expected to perform. Grooming is film steady, coaching,a nd learning from someone who is inf ront of you. If you don't think they are learning anything from brett that they didn't from chad, then you are mistaken. They can learn how to lead, how to win in clutch, and how to play in big games (face it, favre palyed well in big games against good teams). In fact, some analysts predict favre will have another good game this week, simply because it's a big game against a good ball club. This year, he ahs played his best when this is the case. Anyways, the reason people don't want to talk about it is because "You can't blame the jets for trading Chad Pennington", much like you can't blame Atlanta for trading "Brett Favre". Of course, Packer fans can still blame TT for trading "Brett Favre", because favre would of done much better with us. and given the season, most likely produced more wins.
Oh, I personally think Favre's shoulder has been hurting since the Bengals game earlier in the year. That was the last game where he was throwing the ball downfield pretty well.
Exactly. Getting to the playoffs and losing used to be because "Chad couldn't get us to the next level". So if we do the same thing with Favre (if we're lucky), that's an upgrade?
It is the same exact thing. We took a shot at Farves former greatness and lost. He is a one and done Qb just like Chad now. The first rd of the playoffs is not the next level. With the money spent on this team the Afc Championship is the next level. If we lose this sunday the real mess begins if Mangini gets fired and we have to start from scratch again.
Great posts, and oh so true!!! Still we can only speculate what Chad would have done here, like it or not we will know for sure what getting Favre will bring. Let's just hope he and the Jets surprise us all.
If you consider Favre a failure if he doesn't win the Super Bowl. What would you consider taking a QB in teh first round and then that QB being constantly injured, didn't make a single Pro Bowl, didn't evne get to the CONFERENCE title game, let alone the Super Bowl? You can label Favre a failure if he doens't win a Super Bowl this year but then you should be the same people labelling drafting Pennington a failure too. "We can only speculare what would have happened with Pennington". COME ON man. We had the guy for years and we didn't get anyway but to a divisoinal round playoff game. I can't stand these "if" arguments. Who cares. The season isn't even over yet and all we see is "if" this and "if" that. All I'm saying why can't you sit and complain about this for 6 months after the season is over and support the Jets now.
Also, aside from Favre, all the other guys brought in to beef up the team are here for more than this year. So even if Chad isn't or wasn't the long term answer, we'd still be loaded up for another run next year if we kept him. Not to say we aren't anyway--we'll still have the O-line we brought in, still have Leon and Jones, Keller, Cotch, hopefully Coles--but we'll need to address the QB position if (when) Favre retires or if (when) he comes back and melts down again like he is doing this year. Of course we have to fix the defense regardless, but it's easier to put resources there (ie draft picks, FA signings with cap space) if we have the QB position set. Even if Chad were good for 2-3 more years we'd be in better shape than we'll be with the impending Brett Favre off-season drama and subsequent tryouts for a new guy. The Green Bay fans I'm sure can tell us all about that.
