This is such a BS statement. Defenses tired from chasing Reggie Bush... you obviously didn't see who they gave the ball to for must have Yards against Texas, or against Notre Dame. Ellis
Pulls and tears are much the same thing as far as muscles go....a pull is a small tear in the muscle, while when they say a player has 'torn' a muscle, it is a much bigger rip than a pull. With hamstrings, the worst tears you can do are the ones which are higher in the leg, closer to the spine.....these tears can take up to 2 months to settle down. Frequently tears or pulls are related to the vertebrae in the back......that is because a lot of muscles in the upper leg, as well as a lot of ligaments etc are joined to vertebrae in the back. I've done my hamstring many times unfortunately, and once you do it, it is likely you'll do it again if you don't rest it properly. When you do it you feel this 'ping' in your leg, and it feels like an elastic band has just given away there, and it lets go and is running up the inside of your leg. It is not a pleasant feeling. On that basis I would be surprised if Lendale ran before the draft, and I'm also not surprised he was unable to complete to many reps on the bench press at the combine. Hamstring injuries make it impossible to do much physical work at all. White, if uninjured, would be a sensation in the NFL in my opinion....he's even more ready to play NFL than Reggie Bush. If he fell to our second pick he would be the steal of the draft, without a doubt.
White plans to run a 40 prior to the draft. He knows if he doesn't his stock, and paycheck, will drop. Unless that 40 truly sucks, the Panthers and the Steelers would be apt to take him.
damn, that reminds of some quote some funny poster said on this board. It was in reference to bench press numbers. It was something like "yeah, were really screwed during the part of the game when we pull out the bench press and see who does the most." BTW, just found out Manny Lawson started out as a WR and he supposedly has good hands. Use to weigh 220 and bulked up to 245. Pretty damn impressive. Never really heard of a WR converting to DE before. Explains his good speed. Im thinking we can try some retarded Julius Peppers on offense in the redzone type plays.
White has not shown any desire or hunger to be an outstanding pro runner since the off season started. Major skills I think is needed in a HB is the ability to persevere, endure, overcome. adjust quickly, emotional strength and mental toughness.. Kinda like Curtis Martin... the never let them see you sweat type of guys.. White gives me the feeling that he will often be a cry baby.. a whiner... a sulker... a melodramatic... moody... generally all things feminine and un-Half Back like... I vote we PASS at all cost... !!! let this one come back and haunt us..
screw Mangold, in no way do we waste a pick on a center in the first round!!! If you really want your center, we will take one in the later rounds. The more I hear of Manny Lawson, the more I want him. He just sounds like an outstanding player. So at #29, say yes to Manny and no to Mangold. I'm very open to Lendale White. I have been very high on him and is the one RB I would wnat out of this draft. Him and Curtis would be a sick back field. I say we take the risk of hoping he falls to 35. As Manny is the man at 29. Of course if he's not, then we take Lendale.
This is what i love about the draft. People get hyped over what they hear, not what theyve seen. You want Manny Lawson based off of what you heard. Screw Mangold, because you heard something impressive about Manny Lawson. Then one ends up arguing with posters over guys they've never seen play, but they heard ESPN or Mel Kiper say something good about them and all of a sudden that person is gung ho for drafting him. Mangold is an excellent center. Manny Lawson is good, but hes a workout warrior. Its his combine numbers that elevated his status, not what he did in college.
i hope you are a trainer...because a tear is exactly what it sounds like...a tear...while a pull is too much of a stretch in the muscle...it can only go so far...i have personally known what it feels like to have both so thats why i know.. as of the fact that it affects the rest of your body you couldnt be more correct...it doesnt exactly cripple you but it hinders the rest of your physical abilities...and it sucks!!
White wasn't even supposed to be an early first rounder a month or so ago, so I don't see why his stock would go up after injury. AFAIK, he was projected mid-first at best before, and more likely late-first or lower, so now with his problems I'd expect him to be there late second or early third. We can grab him in the third if we want, a lot of good players come out of that round anyway. Dropping that far might actually motivate him to "prove" detractors wrong. It worked for Coles and a few other guys. Looking at this mock more closely: it'd be awesome if the Panthers take White, and we get DeAngelo instead. Now that's a back that I think can be great.
I've studied sports science at university....and a pull is just a smaller version of a tear. They called a pull a pull before they fully understood what it was, before the advent of MRI scans and such that told them that when you do your hammy you always tear it. The difference is in the size of the tear. I went through one football season where I tore my hamstrings 6 times! I wasn't getting enough sleep at the time, and thus my body could not recover from the punishment it was copping on the turf. It was my last football season, and I lost about 3 months of it to injury....the last tear was in the last game I played, and that was all she wrote folks in regards to my football career.
I thought the major difference was that a pull can usually repair itself with rest, whereas a tear will need some sort of medical treatment. I don't consider it the same thing. There are also grades of sprains and tears, and I think pulls fall under sprains as a level 1 or 2.
It aint a given that a tear will require keyhole surgery or anything like that....but you are right that tears of hamstrings are more likely to require medical intervention than a pull. You have to remember that virtually all strenuous physical exercise induces some sort of 'pulling' and 'tearing' and thus bleeding within muscles in the first place. That is why you'll feel sore after playing sport, and it is through this that is the only way that you'll ever get your muscles stronger: for the muscles to get stronger they have to be 'broken down' first, so your body can rebuild them in a stronger fashion. A pull is where the muscle has been broken down so far that it is inoperable, and a tear is a much worse version of a pull. Medical intervention is usually required where the muscle has sheared away from its attachment point, or when there have been a number of pulls or tears in the muscle indicating a long term problem. (numerous tears or pulls usually leaves a hell of a lot of scar tissue, which is a weak point from which a new pull or tear is likely to occur) So in summation, you are quite right that a pull isn't a tear in that it is a much 'better' injury to have than a tear, but strictly speaking they are much the same thing: its just a matter of degree. Thus a pull is a 'small tear', and a tear is a full blown rip in the muscle that will require much more 'timeout' from sport than what a pull will.
By the way, and this is off topic, can anyone tell me if your muscles will get a better workout (leaving aside aerobic considerations) by walking up a hill or down a hill?
