Favre looks like an old player who can't get it done however I have to say Cotch looks like he is running in cement the last few weeks, Coles has outright given up and Jenkins went from a beast to a fat dude in the middle of the Dline. WTF.
Favre was the best QB the Jets could possibly have put on the field this year. There was nobody else who was likely to give them the offensive boost that he did. This IS a QB driven league and Favre is the first QB since Vinny in 2001 who theoretically gives the Jets a real chance to beat any opponent on any given day. If the Jets flame out with Favre at QB and the net effect is that we get a regime change then we're ok. If the Jets flame out with him at QB and we still have the same faces running the team then we're definitely not going to be ok. But there's nobody else we could have signed or traded for who would have had the impact that he's had for the Jets offense so far. If Chad was the starter the Jets are 6-7 or 7-6 now best case and nobody is even talking playoffs for them.
Thats funny because the dolphins are 8-5 with a much worse WR core and running game. With us he would only be 7-6 or 6-7? Or maybe 10-3? Favre is running a Chad offense much worse then Chad would have. Anyone can throw a 5 yard out to Keller or a screen pass to Leon. Bottom line is we paid twice as much for a QB to give us worse then what we had. AND! What we had is now in a position to knock us out of the postseason. What a deal for us.
I thought Testaverde was a detriment in 2001. I thought the Jets would have had a better finish had Testaverde been replaced in October or November that year. I thought Pennington gave the Jets a real chance to beat any opponent in 2002. I do agree with you on Favre as far as available veteran QBs for 2008 was concerned. They could have traded up in the draft to get Matt Ryan, though. I would have been okay with such a thing and think I wrote it on this board somewhere earlier this year. I know you hate moving up in the draft, so I suppose you would have hated such a move. But, as you wrote, this is a QB-driven league and Ryan has had an excellent rookie season thus far. It's a top 4 rookie QB performance (right up there with Cook in '69, Marino in '83 and Roethlisberger in '04.) But, no, the Jets sat back and just had, just absolutely had, to pick Vernon "One Trick Pony in College/No Tricks in the Pro Game to This Point" Gholston.
We never beat Arizona or Tennessee with Chad at QB. We probably don't beat the Patriots. Chad has never played above the level of his team in any NFL season he's participated in. That includes 2002 when the Jets had a very strong talent core that included probable hall of famers at RB and C. If the Dolphins aren't running the single wing as a heavy splash in the offense they are no better than 6-7 right now. They're covering for Chad's weaknesses by putting the ball directly into the hands of a great player in Ronnie Brown. They have another great RB on the team also who is probably the best change-of-pace back in history. Despite all of this the Dolphins offense is below average, because the NFL is a QB driven league and their QB is just not all that special when you consider what his contributions really are. Chad Pennington has never lead an offense that finished higher than 15th in scoring in the NFL. For all the hoopla about what he's doing with the Dolphins this year they are ranked 23rd in scoring offense. Sorry, that's the QB.
If the Eagles release McNabb we should sign him up. Any chance they still cut him if they make a run?
Hey, it's not like he's playing particularly well in the last few games. I have no loyalty to Brett Favre, all I care about are the Jets. He's helped make it fun this year, but those last two games definitely leave a sour taste.
Haven't seen Favre win one game for us, this season. I've seen him lose a few, but never win it for us. he should retire after the season.
we have to let favre be favre not penny 2.0. Farve was a good choice but the problem is our WR corps and our Pass D
Chad was bad in 2007 but it was related to: -2 torn ligaments in ankle -HORRIBLE OL which resulted in no running agme and no time to throw. Favre has a great running game and time to throw w/ MUCH better weapons than Chad has in Miami yet we are tied. 2 weeks ago I was starting to tell everyone I was wrong about the Favre trade but it's looking like I was right all along. They made the Favre trade to sell jerseys and PSLs so the Jets are happy regardless but on the field Chad has outplayed Favre w/ half the talent around him and we'd be better w/ Chad through 13 games. Favre has a chance to turn that around again but he seems to be getting worse every week now. It's about more than #s, Miami has had more talent in the past and hasn't won. Chad has been the difference maker. W/o him their record is probably reversed at best. You guys can make the excuse about the OC but it comes down to the players and Favre hasn't gotten it done most of this year. Favre has been a mostly medicore QB the last 10 years or so. he was really good last year but hadn't changed systems in 15 years or so and we get him w/ a month to go until the season sacrificing our early season sched while he got comfortable and in the process we made Miami a contedner in the division by handing them Chad who has been better than Favre this year. The QB position isn't all about arm strength, if it was maybe Favre would have had another Championship? maybe he would have led his team to another SB this decade when the NFC was pathetic? It was a dumb move by us, it looked for a minute like it might actually work out but he's been awful for us these last 2 weeks. What impact did Favre have? We were a playoff team just 2 years ago. We got better around the QB, we'd be better if we kept Chad b/c we wouldn't have sacrificed our early season. You act like we have had a great O this year. We have had a great running game and Favre has had few good games but he's been mostly mediocre like he has most of the 2nd half of his career. How would we be 6-7 or 7-6 w/ Chad when the Dolphins were an OT period away from being winless last year and have half the talent we have? He's throwing balls to Davon Bess! His running back's have bigger names but much less production than Favre's RBs. He lost his best WR 2 weeks ago, a guy who would be lucky to be our #3 WR and yet he keeps winning. How do we not beat Arizona w/ Chad? Our D wouldn't have forced 6 TOs in the 1st half? We got that huge lead b/c the D kept turning AZ over and even scored a TD. What did Favre do in Tennessee that was so special? I can probably agree on the 1nd NE game(though I think we beat NE the 1st time if we had Chad) but we beat Ten b/c of defense. You do realize in 2002 Curtis had his worst full season as a pro, right? So he didn't get the HOF version. Miami is WINNING just like he did here. You can make up all the excuses you want but w/ half the talent they have the same record as us and his O is scoring only 3 points less per game but not turning it over like our O does. if you factor in points allowed by the O the production is about the same. Then tell him to start playing like he's capable of! You act like he's been great but the rest of the team has stunk. he has stunk along w/ them. he's supposed to be able to elevate a team but he hasn't done that. I'll give him NE and that's it.
The hell with asking about Favre, the real question you should be asking is how many fools are still hooked on the Mangini-Tannenbaum debacle? Don't forget they are a team and do everything together. Mangini is a scumbag. He does nothing but stand on the sideline and look angry and totally lost. He doesn't appear to even say anything ever in that microphone he is wearing. I doubt there is anybody on the other end. It's all for show. I never thought this could be said about anyone but this asshole makes Herman Edwards look like a genius.
Sure he does. Every athlete who hangs on to long gets paid, gets laid and gets to show the world why competitive sports at the highest level is for the young and strong.
ok where are all the posters that were working out playoff scenarios,,, fucking idiots,,, i warned all of you,, win the fucking games first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It hasn't been considered a heavy splash for weeks now, and we're still winning.... Chad's only real weakness is his arm, and it's not all bad to be honest. His accuracy, pocket awareness, and leadership skills have been outstanding. I'm not sure what weakness we'd be hiding by running the wildcat, but if there is one, it would be with the OL's inability to run block out of a standard running formation.... Sorry, but I disagree. I don't think it's a QB driven league. It certainly helps to have a good one, but this is a team effort league. Although having Chad running the offense is making us better, it's the effort of everyone that is making the difference.... Here are a few rankings you forgot to mention... Pennington QB Rank - AFC ------------------------- Rate : 2nd Comp % : 3rd Yrds : 4th Ypa : 3rd TD : T-9th INT : 1st Pennington QB Rank - NFL ------------------------- Rate : 5th Comp % : 5th Yrds : 8th Ypa : 7th TD : T-17th INT : T-2nd Our overall offensive rank after 13 games, is 10th in the NFL, and the Jets are 12th... IN TUNA WE TRUST....
I think Favre shot his wad against New England and Tennessee. I never liked the trade to begin with, but I am willing to root for him. If yesterday is the way things are going to go from now on, this season is a disaster.
The Favre move was made after watching a good portion of the early TC and recognizing that neither Chad or Clemens would make a significant difference in this team. Getting Favre was an attempt to catch lightning in a bottle and at the same time sell PSL's. The seasons not over we will see how it plays out. The real problem is our D has not improved statistically at all from last year. We were 19in points given up and 18th in yards given up for the year and we are at that exact number right now even though the OL and running game is far better through the course of the season. We may be better against the run but teams have adjusted and have had no problem passing all over us. While the D has the feel of a much better unit with Jenkins and Pace, in fact it is not one bit better statistically compared to the rest of the league than last years D. I was a bit amazed by this stat but it goes to show you putting in the 3/4 that Mangini has wanted with a top notch NT and big LB who can play both on and off the D line hasn't improved our D.
Good post. While the personnel on paper looks improved, the stats do tell a story. But only part of the story, imo. Last year opponents were beating the Jets because the O didn't score, or gave up points to the other team, and the Jets could not stop the run. There was no need to pass the ball much against the Jets last year. The stats this year are padded with numbers from games the Jets won but gave up huge yardage in the second half of, specifically the AZ and NE games, and two losses against some very good passing attacks, those being SD and Denver. Those four were all different games from the games last year. I think this explains why an upgrade in the roster has not moved the team D stats up. That, and oh yeah, the personnel last year were really bad, but they didn't get so exposed in pass D.
