i think part o fit has to do with the fact when they get off the field the offense is going 3 and out or farve is throwing a pick -- i think it cuts down the D from being aggressive since they aren't getting lads they tend to play safe to avoid the big play -- they play from in front they seem to attack more
At the beginning of the season I wanted Mauluga over Laurinatis, but Laurinatis is supposed to be much better in pass coverage, can anyone justify not taking him if he's there? Well, other than to get a stud safety.
Hire Mike Nolan as Defensive Coordinator... I'm sick of seeing our blitzes picked up with ease...While Pittsburgh, New York, and others can fly in with an untouched player and hit the QB, even if he gets rid of it. The 3-man rushes are pathetic...
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Fkin Crossing Route!!!!! Jesus Effin Crimminey!!! Every Week we are getting torched by it!!!
The coaching staff is so afraid of big plays that they let everything else go. Seriously, a 3 man rush?
No, you're way wrong. The pass rush sucks ass. The only time we ever get to the QB is if we blitz 2-3 guys. The front 3-4 never get any pressure on the QB. You watch over contending teams and they have guys who can beat their guy 1 on 1 and get to the QB. This team doesn't have that. Pace has been a dissapointment. With the contract we gave him, he should be putting much more pressure on the QB then he has. So add that with slow linebackers and below average CB/S (other then Revis/Rhodes) that equals pitiful pass defense.
So far 2 of the 3 things i've been bitching about have happened... -Crossing Route -Vanilla Defense all that's left is for us to make NO adjustments and for the record, that's a given since Mangini has been quoted as saying the opposing team dictates what we call. Pathetic!!!
this is such bs. every blitz we call is EASILY picked up. the lowery one is the only one that wasn't blocked. we leave waaaay too much open down the middle and underneath. we have a terrible pass rush, horrible coverage down the middle and no discipline. it's a bad formula.
Scheming. The coaches don;t design the coverages well, and the players don't do what they are supposed to in the system they have been given. On top of that, we call the wrong defensive plays at the wrong times.....and in some cases we just don't have good enough players.
But part of that is having players doing things they shouldn't be doing. Why do we have BT and Pace dropping back into coverage so much especially when they were getting pressure early in the year? Why do we constantly have a Nickle back on single man coverage ? Why do we constantly send 3 when the best form of pass defense is a pass rush!!??
Well, to be fair, the pass rush is getting torched as well. Not sure if it's because of the personnel or the poor design, but they're just not working.
That's why you blitz creatively. When we Blitz we line up like we're blitzing and send the obvious blitzers. When we get creative like a delayed blitz or a CB/FS blitz we seem to get pressure and force things. The Bottom line is that i'd rather Blitz and force pressure than let guys sit back with no pressure and pick us apart.
In my opinion, there are two main issues: 1) Our Linebackers are horrible in pass coverage. They have no ball skills, are totally uncomfortable with the ball in the air, and are generally on the slow side. We probably have the WORST coverage linebackers in the NFL (At least they are right up there, I don't see enough teams consistently to say they are definately the worst). 2) When we blitz, we don't get there. This is mainly on our linebackers, as well. What people on this board don't seem to reallize is that the dreaded 3-man rush that everyone hates has actually produced a large number of sacks (with either pace or Thomas filling in for Kenyon Coleman in the DE spot on passing downs). We have also gotten a lot of sacks with a conventional four man rush (With Elllis, Pace, or Thomas getting the sacks). We rarely get sacks when we send extra rushers (i.e. when we actually "blitz") at the quarterback - This is why I think it's really funny when people on this board beg for sutton to call exotic blitzes. It's our biggest weakness on defense. A third point is that after Revis and Rhodes (and I have already made it known that I think Rhodes is overrated and NOT a pro-bowler at this stage in his career), we really don't have anyone in the secondary who should be starting.
1- We have Run Stopping LB'ers. Funny everyone wanted Vilma gone because he didn't fit then we ask Barton, Harris, Pace, and BT for pass coverage. 2- You are totally off here. I record and rewatch everygame and many of our sacks were when we sent an extra body which in a 3-4 is 4 or more...and when we were in Nickle or Dime we sent extra in. Early in the year we ironically got a few coverage sacks but see those games and you'll see extra rushers. Rhodes looked like a pro-bowler a few years ago when we lined him up all over and even blitzed him. That's what we're talking about.
Listen man, you are wrong about how successful we are on blitzes. I'm not going to get into a "who watches the Jets more" argument with you, however, I watch every game live and then I download the torrent for every game on tenyardtorrents and watch it over to get a better feel for strengths and weaknesses. Many of the Jets' sacks have come on conventional 3 and 4 man rushes, with Ellis, Pace, Jenkins, and Thomas getting the majority of them. Also, WHEN we have gotten to the quarterback on blitzes, a fair number of the sacks have come from either Revis, Lowery, Rhodes, or Elam. Our Linebackers just don't get there that often when they are sent on blitzes. Now, some of this is definately scheme and coaching. But a lot of it is just poor execution. By the way, Mangini has mentioned this point (about MANY of our sacks coming from conventional rushes - In fact, according to Mangini, the plurality of our sacks have come out of plays when we only rushed 3) many times in his press conferences . . . I think he would know better than either of us off the top of his head.
What's wrong with our pass D is that we don't try. We drop all of the linebackers into zone coverage every down, and rely on the defensive linemen to not only stuff the lanes against the run, but rush the passer against 5 offensive linemen in the pass. The coaches expectations of the d-line and the linebackers are unrealistic. They are not putting our players in a position to make plays. They are trying so hard to not give up a play here and there, that they are completely foregoing any form of pressure whatsoever.
you think we have a good pass rush, who are you watching. Lowery sucks and rhodes has made many plays at all this year.
In my opinion it's because we rush three and drop 8. 90% of the time. when we do blitz, it's either a sack, an incomplete pass, or a quick timing route thrown exactly where the blitz came from. so to stop the last thing from happening sutton drops 8. well numbers game, 5 is more than 3, so 99/100 5 offensive lineman are going to be able to block 3 defensive lineman. essentially they can double up, Jenkins/other NT and Ellis and leave Coleman 1 on 1 with their best blocker (LT) and they shut it down. giving opposing QB's enough time to bake a pie, eat a casserole, go buy every one on the team a christmas present or two, and then drive back to the stadium, get back in gear walk out on the field and then throw to an open reciver in the middle of the field. Of course no QB has ever needed to spend that much time waiting for a guy to come open, because even when we drop 8, we cover no one.
