Draft Needs revisited 12/1

Discussion in 'Draft' started by The GM, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. Carpetbagger

    Carpetbagger Well-Known Member

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    That's great, but he couldn't win the job this summer, we need another player to come in and compete and not some retread backup.
     
  2. legler82

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    You are not going to find too many ILB stout enough to play take on blockers in a 3-4 scheme and great in coverage. When healthy Harris and Barton are
    as good a pair you are going to find.
     
  3. The Grim Revis

    The Grim Revis New Member

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    In order:

    Playmaking Reciever: This is a must for us. Imagine if the Jets had an Andre Johnson/Calvin Johnson type reciever who is just an elite player. We need someone that can consistently rack up big numbers.

    Safety: Rhodes is very good, but that other Safety is killing us. Elam and Smith are both well below average. I say we use a 2nd rounder on this position, and sure up our secondary a bit.

    ILB: Someone near Harris. We need to get faster down the middle of the field. Our secondary gets burned on 10-15 passes to the TE.

    RB: I'd take a chance on a RB with our 4th round pick. Look at all these guys like Forte, Smith, Rice, etc. It's worth taking a chance in the middle rounds on finding another potential playmaker at RB.

    Don't think we should go after a QB. If Favre doesn't come back, let Kellen and Ratliff fight it out in the Pre-Season.
     
  4. The GM

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    Barton and Woody are old and need replacing. Just because Barton is playing well doesn't mean ILB is not one of our top needs. He can't cover worth a damn and there are a ton of great 3-4 ILB in this upcoming draft: Mauluga, Spikes, Ellerbe, Brinkley, McKillop, Holtzclaw, and Mauga, and others such as Philistin and Williams.

    RT can wait until next year where there will be a ton of stud RTs, or we can take a mid-round grader like Tupou and groom him behind Woody for a year or two. Woody is not having a pro-bowl season, especially not for an RT btw. Through 12 games he has 3 penalties (2 false starts and 1 holding) and given up 4.5 sacks, second most on our offensive line to Faneca's 5.5 sacks given up.

    As for WR, we have Coles for one more year, we still have Cotchery, then we have Stuckey, Smith, and Clowney will be back at full strength before the season is over. Favre's doesn't need stud WR's, look at what he had in Green Bay - he even said the WRs here are a lot like what he had there. We can wait until 2010 to draft a stud WR, when the draft will have plenty of them. We have greater needs than WR right now.
     
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  5. German Jets Fan

    German Jets Fan 2007 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    The biggest hole ist the most important Position. We can?t rely on a guy, who had two good Preseason games. We gotta get a new Franchise-QB. Everything else is far behind.
     
  6. GriffDog

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    Qb will be a tough position to fill and getting some guy in the draft is mostly putting a guy on lay away for three years until they start producing. Unless we get a Matt Ryan type and I don't think that is going to happen. We will not address WR but CB, S and ILB will for sure be looked at with priority.
     
  7. Wolfe Tone

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    QB - its a given and having a guy under Favre for maybe one more year would be great

    Safety - Atrocious play, so much that it is effecting Rhodes, or maybe he isn't the star we thought so lets get someone beside him

    O-line - We need a middle rounder to push at Tackle or Guard for depth, I maybe mistaken but if one of our top five goes down I think we would be *^&^ed

    D-line - Same here as O-line, we need a guy to rotate in at end that is better than Devito, I heard his name and Pouha in the same sentence at the Broncos game and it was fear and then instant 1st down for the runner

    ILB - I love Barton but he is aging, Harris hurt is a problem as Bowens just does not have the athleticism to be an everydown player, we need to look at this in the middle rounds, last year there were some gems in rounds 3, 4 and 5 so its a need but not a rush

    We need to go CB in free agency and look at WR in free agency
     
  8. The GM

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    I think ILB is a more immediate need than you think - we are getting torn to pieces in the middle of the field via the pass and its because our current LBs can't cover. There are some good guys that will be available in the first 3 rounds and we should take one.

    Also, I definitely think we should draft a CB this year. The class will be loaded with talent all the way to the 6th round. Two late round guys I like are Joe Burnett from UCF and DeAngelo Smith from Cincy. If Mark Parson is available in the 4th round he is a must-draft. He's a slightly shorter version of Revis, but what he sacrifices in height he makes up for in speed and strength.
     
  9. Wolfe Tone

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    I guess I was looking at the first 4 rounds, but I think a 3rd round MLB would be good, I just don't want a MLB in round 1 or 2, there is always good depth. CB in the 6th sign me up, but I do want a vet brought in as well. Lowery looks good but rookie mistakes have taken ahold, I would just like a vet presence that isn't slow like turtle.

    I look at our lines and its scary bad how our depth is looking, if we lost a starter to injury we are as good as pulling someone off the street, 2nd strings shouldn't be as bad as they are
     
  10. The Grim Revis

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    I think we should look at Mark Sanchez if we want to address QB. He'll probably be a 2nd round pick, and he has a lot of talent.

    Positions of need and players we should consider:

    QB: Mark Sanchez, Nate Davis

    WR: Dez Bryant, Derrick Williams, Patrick Turner, Mohammad Massaquoi

    RB: Shonn Green (Perfect, we need to grab him in the 2nd/3rd),

    CB: Darius Butler, Sherrod Martin, Victor Harris

    S: Louis Delmas, Rashad Johnson

    LB: Brandon Spikes, Sean Weatherspoon, Dannelle Ellerbe

    Best case scenario:

    1st round: Brandon Spikes
    2nd Round: Mark Sanchez
    2nd Round (we have 2 2nd rounders right?): Darius Butler/Louis Delmas
    3rd pick: Shonn Green/Dez Bryant
     
  11. Mr Electric

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    Dez Bryant is a true sophomore, and even if he was able to enter the draft there's no way in hell he'd make it out of the first round.

    Shonn Greene will probably be a 2nd rounder.

    Vilma has to re-sign with the Saints in order for us to get another 2nd. We'll also lose our original 2nd if Favre gets us to the playoffs.
     
  12. The Grim Revis

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    Oh, I thought I'd read that Bryant was draft eligible. Nevermind then.

    Hopefully we leave the draft with two of Spikes, Sanchez, Green, Derrick Williams, or Delmas.
     
  13. SameOldJets2008

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    isnt it a 3rd unless he gets us to the conf champ and a 1st if he gets us to the superbowl?
     
  14. Zach

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    This is based on the "hope" that Brett returns next year. If he doesn't, we are in desperate need of a starting QB too.

    a. "Need" moves:

    1. Starting SS (Rhodes magic again?)
    2. Starting ILB - cover LB (2nd or 3rd?)
    3. Stud Pass-rushing DE <- This is the most important of the three on the D. (Potentially, this will be the 1st rounder.)
    4. Tall, fast and physical WR (Possibly rd 2~3 pick)

    b. "Depth" moves

    1. NT
    2. OL
    3. Run-stuffing DEs - those NTs playing at 300-ish lbs from college seem like the best fit for this job.
     
  15. The GM

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    I think we should hold off on drafting a QB in 2009. We have yet to see what we really have in Brett Ratliff - the CS like him and he has a big arm and has shown the ability to make good reads in practices and games. He will have spent an entire season under Brett Favre going into next season, and if Favre comes back for another year, then he will have spent 2. His tools are just as good as most of the hyped college QBs and we might have lucked out with this guy. There are some very good QBs in the league that were not drafted (Romo, Warner), plus starter Shaun Hill for the 49ers.
     
  16. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Whether Favre returns or not, this is not the year to draft a QB. If all else fails, Jets can still sign Matt Cassel (Yuck).
     
  17. Mr Electric

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    If Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Davis, and Tebow all come out then this is a great year to draft a QB.
     
  18. The GM

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    Bradford will likely come out since he will be a Top 5 pick in the 09 draft, Stafford maybe but doubtful as he wants a shot at the National Championship and Georgia will be a very strong team next year if he returns even if Moreno leaves because they have recent top recruit Caleb King behind him. Same deal for Sanchez, I think he wants a NC too. Tebow won't come out - he is too raw - and if he does he will be overdrafted because of the lack of true QB talent in the draft.

    We won't be in any position to land Bradford this year if he comes out, and next year's QB class is going to be FULL of talent. Don't forget that we might already have a successor in Ratliff.
     
  19. mrwaitlist

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    Need a WR and Ratliff to pan out.
     
  20. Mr Electric

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    Taylor Mays is the best safety prospect in this draft - in fact - he's probably the best safety prospect to come out since Sean Taylor.

    Another defensive back that I like is Utah's junior corner Sean Smith - he's 6'2, with good speed and excellent ball skills - he could make the transition to safety, but he would probably be more effective at corner.

    I'm hoping we bring in a vet like Brian Dawkins or Mike Brown to fill that safety hole, but either one of these guys is probably too expensive...you never know though. Dawkins is aging, and he may want a shot at a championship.
     

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