1. MANGINI MUST LOSE HIS FASCINATION WITH THE 8-MAN SECONDARY. The 3-8 defense is a tactic he learned from Belichick, but evil Bill only uses sparingly, not as a game long strategy. Face the facts--the Jets pass rush is average at best, and rushing 3 men against a 5 or 6 man line is just not going to work against a skilled passing offense, like the Broncos or the Colts. 2. FAVRE IS GOING TO NEED TO SCRAMBLE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall him rushing the ball once this year. I know he hasn't done it in the last 5 or 6 ball games. I don't understand his reluctance to take off on some of these critical 3 or 4th downs when nobody's open and he has clear green in front of him. I understand we don't want our 40 year old QB taking too many chances, but there are a few key times during the course of a game (or a season) when your QB simply needs to take a chance and run the ball, and Favre just doesn't do it. I don't know whether its the coaches decision or his, but they've got to put that into the arsenal once in awhile. What I don't understand is that the Jets clearly have no qualms having Favre throw a block on an end around. If you're willing to have your QB throw himself at the legs of an onrushing linebacker, why wouldn't you have him take off every once in a while on a scramble? 3. THE CS NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION AND GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THE GAME Two killer instances tonight where the coaching staff really didn't seem to be paying attention to the flow of the game. The ill-fated pitch play...On the first series, they saw a sure-handed Keller drop a pass, and later, one of the RBs lost the handle on the ball. Anybody who was there could see and feel that the cold, pelting rain was going to make ball-handling treacherous. The Smith to Cotchery pitch should've been pulled from the playback... and this is not hindsight. Myself and 3 or 4 others in my section all yelled "oh shit" when we saw Smith lined up behind center. The empty backfied on 1st and goal from the seven...otherwise known as, Thomas Jones vacation. The Jets had manuevered down the field in the no-huddle without TJ. OK fine, but then the Broncos started employing their injury time-out package. Why wouldn't you bring in your go-to back...the only guy that had done anything so far...the guy who made two spectacular scoring plays...to run the ball or to at least act as a threat, to make the Broncos pull one or two guys out of the end zone and up to the line to account for the threat of the run? Doesn't make any sense...go with the hot hand...at least use him as a decoy. Unfathomable.
I agree and was going to post some of these points myself. IIRC Manboobs was on the Pats staff when they befuddled Peyton Manning for years by dropping half the roster into coverage. The Pats only did this against Peyton and it only worked for a few years. I think Manboobs somehow got mesmerized by this form of defense while he was there. He seems to think this is a magic formula for stopping hotshot QBs, just like he thinks everything NE does is some sort of magic formula. And Farve looks like hes under orders to never move outside of the tackles. If he is, change the orders, if he isn't, tell him to grow a pair. If that doesn't work bring in Ratliff. I suspect Rat is the real #2 and and they only list KC at #2 to increase his trade value.
good stuff. They have said that they will learn from this loss, I believe them. Mangini was really pissed about this loss, so I think that San Fran is going to get a team wanting blood. I feel bad for San Fran.
Hard to argue any of these points although I had no problem with the reverse. Bad weather or not Cotch has to secure the ball before he tries to run with it. He took his eye off the pitch which was right in his hands. The play was going to work, he had alot of room in front of him and I don't think the weather was the main factor behind the fumble, it was a lack of concentration on Cotch's part, who had his worst game as a pro. I totally agree with your first point, the 3-8 D has got to go, I don't understand that gameplan against a QB like Cutler, I suspect we have seen the last of it, at least I hope. I think we will see a more aggressive D from here on out, we have the shut down CB it takes to make it work. That was the most baffling aspect of the game for me. Learn from it, move on to SF and take care of business. Win out and we'll get the 2 seed.
Honestly, I thought we blitzed a decent amount, but we still just didn't get any pressure. I'm not happy with the way the secondary played, and if we really played a 3-8 defense as often as you guys assert (obviously not with 8 DBs, I hope you don't mean), then it's pretty sad how open those guys were all over the field. While Cutler had time to throw, he usually made throws on time, and the receivers were still wide open.
I don't believe them for a second. They didn't learn a thing from Oakland and Mangini is still the snotty little clueless bitch he has always been. Another game, another team, who can't stop the run so Manshitface throws the ball 70% of the time and in the rain to boot. He is definitely in the bottom 5 of coaches in the league.
Have you considered that maybe the reason we have the 8 man secondary is because we don't have the personnel to make a 7 man work, especially against a good passing offense?
Favre tried to run twice against Denver. In the first one (in forth down) he slipped, in the second he was sacked.
I agree with the point about the pass rush. When you see that you aren't getting to the QB and he is passing the ball all around, you have to realize that something needs to change. I saw a couple of times where they tried to blitz, but it didn't get there. Hopefully they learn this week and move forward.
If we expect to go deep into the playoffs and potentially.......I can't say it.........we need to get better. Good teams going to the playoffs don't let yesterday happen.
There was one other thing I forgot to mention. On the Favre INT, you saw the defender playing way off Coles. I would like to have seen the Jets come back to this play and this time have Coles break off a 15 or 20 yard out. The INT was a bad play (one of those where you feel like Favre makes up his mind to throw it no matter what and never takes a look), but the real crime is not learning something you can use from it. If Coles is getting that much of a cushion, take the shorter stuff until the guy moves up.
Coles is just not a legitimate deep threat. The pass rush sucked. But most of all I hang yesterday's loss on poor tackling. Elam in particular does not belong out there if he can't bring down a running back, ever.
the bottom 5 get fired, he's probably getting an extension. If the didn't learn from the Oakland game, they wouldn't be 8-4, they'd be like the Bills.
Coming from a packer fan: Favre scrambled on a few plays last year. He wont do it often, but he will do it. No idea if the coaches told him not to bother, but it's always up to the QB to make that call. Honestly, you know what I think they need to do with #4 to make him more successful? Move the pocket. Sure, he has time. Moving the pocket, however, can confuse defenses. Designed roll out passes. Also, in games like this, you need to take the leash off, and let favre start to improvise a little. It's realy the only way your getting back into the game, especially in the 4th. Two times we punted late, down by three scores, and I just scratched my head. LIke, there isn't time for 3 possessions if you punt... so take your chance now. I hate to say it, but at times you have to let brett be brett. Tell him "i don't care how you do it, but get me a first down". Still, this was an affordable loss, and all it showed me was just like what stomping tennesee showed everyone: You can have a bad game, and bad game against a decent opponent can make things look worse then they are. The jets were flying high, like Tenn. This game just grounded us, makes us go back to work, so we can come out hungry. Something tells me the jets thought they would just coast into the playoffs. This may be just the sort of beating they needed to remind them that this is the NFL, and everyone (save the lions) comes to play.
LIke I said the play was on Cotch, he lost focus and it had little if anything to do with the weather. It was going to be a big gain and then everyone is on here talking about how brilliant the play call was. Cotch needs to secure the ball, that's on him.
