QB BRETT FAVRE On the game overall... We have four games left. We didn't win this football game. We got outplayed. We had plenty of opportunities. It wasn't like we played our best football, and we just lost. I thought Denver played outstanding. I thought we had some opportunities that we didn't capitalize on. I think we were in first place going into this game, and I think we are still in first. There are a lot of things that need to be corrected, but it's not like there were any surprises. Obviously, I haven't looked at the film, but it's not like we are going to turn on the film and see something dramatic that we haven't seen that we need to correct. I think they are simple things, the fundamentals of the game ? throwing, catching, blocking, tackling, all those things. They did those things better than us tonight. Yes, it's disappointing, but the season's not over yet. We don't know when it will be over. We can control that. It's a loss and we'll go out to San Francisco and see if we can rebound. On Broncos QB Jay Cutler... I thought he played well. I thought he played outstanding. He made a lot of throws. These were tough conditions. It would be easy to write off our lack of production on the conditions, but that wouldn't look too good considering they did produce. I told him after the game he played outstanding, and if you play like that it's hard to be beat. He was the better man tonight. On if there was a hangover from last week's victory... No. We had strung together some big wins. I think this team is feeling good about ourselves, as we should, or should have. I think it's a wakeup call, but I don't think it had anything to do with the big win last week. On if rain is harder to play in than snow... I'd rather play in snow. I've played in colder weather. It was just windy enough and there was a steady rain the entire night. There were some plays where it affected things. The first pass I threw to Chris Baker was low, inside and incomplete. There were numerous passes I felt like I could have made a more accurate pass but the conditions got the better of me tonight. I think I'd rather play in snow than in the rain, but it?s football. On the third-and-1 and fourth-and-1 plays in the third quarter... On the first pass, they covered. On fourth-and-1, it was a play where they were going to load everyone in there because it was fourth-and-1. We just took a chance on a pass. We played the odds. We had converted on some big ones earlier in the year on those types of situations. Given the situation we were in, I haven't talked to Brian Schottenheimer, I think they were good calls. They didn't work, and I'm no different than anyone else, it is always easy to second-guess it when it doesn't work. I remember when we ran three running plays in a row against New England in the far end zone. We were stuffed, and everyone said you should have passed it. When they work they are great, and when they don't they were the wrong calls. I didn't think they were the wrong calls. I give Denver credit, but if I had to do it again, I would back him 100 percent On the AFC? I think it says one thing. You can be beaten any week. We can sit here and talk about those types of scenarios, "You beat this team, and that team beat this one," but the bottom line is I thought Denver played an outstanding game. I felt that going into today, if we have played the way we have been playing, we would win the football game. We could have played much better. Denver played very good. They won the game. I didn?t watch their offense against Oakland last week. I thought Oakland?s offense played well against their defense. When you execute and get a few breaks here and there, which they got a few and maybe we got a few tonight, then good things happen. It?s not anything more than you have to be on your A-game, or pretty lucky. On his interception? It was double-go. We were maybe hoping to get a mismatch on the outside. They actually played zone for one of the few times. I just took a shot, but I was looking at the safety the whole time. I tried to make it a catchable ball. On the expectations after two wins? I haven?t really paid much attention to it. The only expectations that matter are in the locker room. I think being 8-3 going into this game, and winning some of the games that we have won, was deserving of attention. I thought that we handled everything up to this point very well. We didn?t play very well tonight but I don?t think that it was because everyone walked into the locker room prior to the game thinking that we are the team to beat. We felt good about ourselves and that should continue. We will correct some of the things that we made mistakes on. We will continue to do the things that we have been doing. Up to this point, it has worked pretty well, so we just have to play more consistently. On Coach Mangini?s being "upset"? I think that I have seen him equally. He was upset, obviously, as he should have been. The plays were there to be made. He was as he should have been. On this week?s practice? If I were Coach, which I am not, I could point to certain things during the week if the game doesn?t go in your favor. Whereas it is easier to let things slip if you win the game. I am not saying that he let something slip or let anything pass, but I think we practiced hard. I think that guys have practiced with a purpose. The one thing that I am very impressed with being here is that everyone practices, period. Guys don?t sit out of practice. We like to have fun and joke around and be light-hearted. I hope that continues. I know that, as a coach, it?s easier if you win games to allow that atmosphere, but we got to this point because of several key reasons. I think we need to continue to do that. Once again, [we need to] be more consistent. I think that you practice how you play and you play how you practice.
Imagine if you thought this way? Maybe those heart attacks and high blood pressure wouldn't be hanging around.
Agreed. But if this team backs into the playoffs I don't wanna see Super Bowl talk. Either we're a very good team or we're not gonna go anywhere regardless if we make the playoffs or not. We'll know a lot more about this team after next week--a loss or an ugly win to me means we're not for real.
If they back into the playoffs, they don't deserve to win. If they are 11-5/12-4 then they deserve to win.
There's a big difference between a player and a fan. There is nothing surprising or enlightening by Favre's statements. It is what he is expected to say. We fans can use this board to express our thoughts and emotions. It would be inappropriate for Favre to state publicly these same thoughts and emotions. It is again obvious that you are young and have not lived the Jet fan experience very long. Stop lecturing other fans and telling them how to feel about this game. This game was a disappointment. Period. There is no other way to describe it. Of course the season is not over and of course the Jets still lead the AFC East. But a 34-17 loss at home to a flawed team does nothing to make us feel good about our team. I remember people going nuts in 2004 when the Jets lost twice to the 14-2 Pats and once to the 15-1 Steelers. I didn't mind those losses to clearly superior opponents. It's losses like today that drive me crazy, when a good Jet team loses a game at home that it should win. This board is a place to vent. Let those of us who have been here many times do that. And remember that no Jet fan is rooting for the Jets to lose these games. Let's hope that the Jets bounce back and beat SF next week. One week at a time.
If the Jets make the playoffs, they deserve to get in. It doesn't matter how you get there. The top 6 teams go, regardless of how they play at the end of the season or if they clinch a spot with a win or a loss by another team. There is no such thing as "backing in."
Everyone needs to relax. I wasn't worried about Tennessee but I was a little worried about Denver. I knew they could pick apart our secondary. I rather have the team lose now and continue to fix their mistakes instead of having a mindset that there's no flaw and be burn in the playoffs.
The weird thing is, it's many of the same people who seemed to be already chalking this game into the W column last week that are moaning loudest about how much suckdom we have now. Which I guess makes some sense they'd be the most distressed, given they thought this would be no contest for some obscure reason, but ... still ironic. Like you, I was worried about Denver -- so much that I posted how this would be a critical game even before the Titans game -- but I got a lot of "oh they suck", which only quadrupled after Oakland beat them. then there was the "Broncos fans panicing" thread in which people were getting so giddy and cocky that I had to step in and say "hey wait a minute, they are probably gonna score a lot, their strength (QB, O-line, recievers) is the perfect exploit for our weakness (defensive secondary) and if we don't keep up we're in trouble," but I was blown off. Sometimes I feel like people here just look at records when they are trying to decide which teams we should beat or not, instead of individual matchups. So they agonize over Tennessee and declare Denver will be a cakewalk. Me, I agonized over this game since even before the Tennessee game, so I guess I can just take the loss a little better. I'm not happy, I still thought we should have been able to win, but I'm not gonna go into the manic-depressive mode and declare the sky is falling after a loss, which seems to be prevalent here.
I was actually impressed with mangini's post game press confrence. Usually I cant stand to listen to him but he actually seemed genuinely pissed off and was rather articulate which makes me feel a bit better about bouncing back for next week.
yeah I liked that too. That tells me that he screamed at them for not looking sharp. That is what a coach is supposed to do.
What did you expect him to say? How long have you been following pro sports? When is the last time somebody came out and said the season is over? And what team exactly doesn't practice? Maybe the Chiefs, but I doubt even they have players that won't practice. I don't understand how anyone can take that seriously, and think Favre is really impressed with that. This loss sucked. We're not the best team in the AFC. I don't see how either of those statements are false, Favre himself said they weren't the best team in the AFC even last week. Just we beat the team on paper that was, and that it was a big win. Clearly the Titans are locked into the #1 seed. We're probably not going to get the #2 seed. A win today would have been huge, and the #1 seed was lost today. That's not nothing.
I don't expect him to act like emotional, illogical fans that don't see things for how they are. I posted this because maybe someone will realize that this after a loss mentality is laughable. Meltdowns over losses like this. Its stupid. Meltdowns over the Oakland loss - acceptable.
I want this to be clear. You think my reaction is stupid? I don't get it, I should be celebrating a loss? Are you even a fan of this team?
ugh. I'm not melting down like 95% of the board. I'm keeping my emotions in check, and hoping the team will rebound. If they did keep winning, any loss breaking a longer streak would cause this place to crash worse than it did today. Thats near fact. This place cannot take a loss after so much success and accept a bad game and move on to the next one. Logical venting is not commonplace here. I try to think like a coach and a player, not a fan. Thinking like a fan would take about 10 years off my life. Your reaction isn't stupid, and the Steelers have a tough schedule and could win only 10 or 11 games... the Jets can win the next 4 in a row, at least thats what we all thought before today, now there is talk about going 10-6... see how stupid that is? I'm trying to make sense of a loss that shouldn't have happened, at least in a Jets fans mind. But since it did, fuck it. My week isn't going to suck - The Jets are in 1st, and can get that #2 seed with a little luck. Like a coach and a player - take a deep breath and look to SF. It sucks this loss, but to cry over it is a waste of time.
It's a little different when you have control and when you don't. Brett makes a difference whether we win or lose, we don't so as silly as it sounds it's more stressful for us b/c there's nothing we can do to help them win so we dwell on negatives rtaher than move to the next play or next game like players have the ability to do.
If we don't win the division we probably don't even make the playoffs. We lose all the tiebreakers as they are today.
IMO (which I stated last week) people who were talking about #1 seed last week were nuts in the first place. It was silly. #2 seed does look dicey though. However, perspective here. Although the #2 seed looks less likely than it did last week, at the same time the #2 still looks more likely than any time it had this season before last week. For me at least -- but I bet most anyone else who is honest. And our chances for the division title still look as promising as they ever have -- more promising in fact. Even after this loss, both Pats and Bills essentially have less of a chance of catching us, since there is one less game now to close the gap. Dolphins are the biggest concern, but we control our destiny there, we can still lose one of the next three games and clinch division on them as long as we beat them in wk 17, not matter what they do in next 3 games. However, for what DOES worry me ... as I posted earlier in this thread & in other threads previous two weeks, this game always worried me because of Denver's O line and QB+TE+WR. I thought we'd caught a break with the weather, but it didn't affect Cutler as much as I thought. And their running game turned out to be a lot better. While of course our offense did not have a good day. So, in the spirit of this thread, I'm not panicking, no, but on the other hand I'm coming out of this game with my fears confirmed -- our secondary cannot stop a good passing offense. This is my big worry, looking towards the playoffs. Our offense I feel is capable of getting it done in all phases -- we just need to have good day. But I'm not sure I've ever seen our secondary get it done, I don't know if there is such a thing as a "good day" for them. If we don't address that we won't go far.
