The pass defense is at this point, our greatest risk. While we have a promising young secondary, every game, a sub-par opposing QB seems to have his way with us in the passing game - almost as if we're playing a bend but don't break style. Not quite sure what it is as our pass rush is stronger than it's been in years, but we need to do something about shutting down passing games if we want to solidify our current standing.
can I just ask one question of our pass defense. A couple times early this year you saw guys get deep on us, gamebreaking type plays. Actually last time I remember San Diego. Put on Espn watch every other game on ESPN- all you see are gamebreaking over the top 40-60 yd touchdowns. We dont give up any zip zero, I think its more us choosing to keep the ball over the middle and underneath and you know what- we dont give up points- take away the pick 6 yesterday and the one the week before etc... we dont give up points. I don't think our pass defense is weak it just gives up yards, not points
Our defense is great at stopping the run. i think our linebackers are more of the run-stopping/pass rushing type than good pass defenders. it's hard to have it both ways. i know we could use an upgrade at safety opposite of Rhodes and Lowery has played better than expected, but not great. Abram Elam came through with a game changing play that i believe may be the turning point to our season. i agree that the pass defense is our biggest weakness but it could be much worse. i think they will improve a little over the next few weeks
Most of the passing yardage is comming over the middle in the LB'ers zone/responseability. Its something that will need to be addressed. That said, we gave up 10 offensive points to the Bills on the road yesterday. A hell of a job by that unit.
pass defense seems particularly brutal on 3rd downs, But as long as I can remember in my 18 years of living and watching the jets, have they not always been painful to watch on 3rd downs? (particularly defense)
The big problems for us seem to be: 1. Our slot corners suck. Revis is amazing and Lowery is very good. The guy that lines up in the slot, be it Coleman, Poteat, Barrett, etc. seems to be giving up the majority of the passes. We need a third and fourth corner. We unfortunately haven't had a good nickel corner since Ray Mickens. Where's Justin Miller?!? 2. Our inside linebackers don't cover very well. TE's in particular do very well against us because we don't have good cover LB's. We also stink on screen plays. How many 40 yard screens have we given up this year?!? We've basically been relegated to relying on pressure and exotic blitz schemes to prevent some of these completions. This is by far my biggest worry about our team. Our offense is going to be a running/play-action team. Our defense stops the run very well and our special teams is excellent. But our pass defense worries me. Please develop a 3rd and 4th corner...
One of two things is happening. Either we are in the 3-4, which means that Harris and Barton wind up in pass coverage, which they both suck at (Harris moreso). Or we have extra CBs on the field like Poteat, Coleman and Barrett who all specialize in tripping over their own feet and missing their assignments so we leave guys wide open.
If I was playing the Jets I would just line up in four wide and throw the ball until we proved we could stop it. No one seems to be able to run on the Jets defense but we've made every qb we play look good. Revis and Rhodes are pro players but none of our linebackers can play in space. Bowens is absolutely horrible when he has to cover someone. Lowery is a rookie and still learning but he's going to be solid. The issue is that after Revis we don't have anyone who is a solid proven cornerback. And after Rhodes none of the safeties are starting caliber. This leaves a big hole in the defense where teams can go 3 wide and attack the middle of the field. Drew Coleman and Erik Smith need to go asap. The secondary should be Revis, Lowery, Poteat and Barrett with Elam and Rhodes at safety. On obvious passing downs we need to get Pace, Jenkins, Thomas and Ellis after the QB. Jenkins needs to get doubled so that one of the other three can beat someone one on one. The side without Revis needs to play a lot more zone. Harris/Barton/Bowens needs to bump the tight end so they can't get off the line cleanly
Doing that would also put your QB at risk to one of the best pass rushes in the NFL on every play. You will gain yardage and probly take a big hit or two, perhaps throw a pick or fumble under pressure. Why is it so easy to concentrate on the bad things and not take notice of the good things this defense does agains the pass?
Isn't Gholston supposed to be a great pass rusher, be it a rookie or not....shouldn't he be playing his natural position as a LB and not an Defensive Lineman. We take good players, Vilma, Abraham, etc and put them in positions they aren't mean for and that's why they don't play up to their full potential. Abraham might be a bad example because he played pretty well still.........but commmmmooonnnnnn. Gholston gets no playing time and he has potential to be a beast.
Gholston was a Lineman at Ohio. He will have to be a Linebacker in the 3-4 or he has no position in our defense. 3-4 Defensive linemen 's main responseability to to hold thier ground against thier blockers if not push them back often controlling 2 gaps in the process. Vernon does not have the size to do this job. Most 3-4 DE's start in the 300 pound range. Most rookie pass rushers do not have great first season. VG is behind this curve a bit but still has tons of upside. With both Pace and Thomas playing well I have no problems with bringing him along slowly.
I'm not so sure I agree that Lowery is very good at this point. He is doing well for a 4th round pick starting from day one, but as the weeks go on, teams are exposing him as a liability in one-on-one matchups depending on the player he is covering. he has obvious physical limitations in certain situations and at this point I would prefer to see him develop as a slot corner instead of our #2 starter.
Our D seems to stiffen up in the red zone which is a good thing... and I think that reflects our good points allowed standing.
Well if you pass block with 5 lineman and a running back you still have 6 blockers. I was more just saying why don't teams just pass on us until we prove we can stop it. I'm very optimistic about this team probably more then most. The one big issue this team has is stopping the pass. Everything else they have proven on some level they can do pretty well but every week the other teams QB looks like Joe Montana. I don't think it's a scheme issue I think it's a talent issue.
Well its not Revis and Rhodes "Talent Wise". But we do play a 3-4, which means we have 4 LBers out there trying to cover, and that's probably a LBers weakest attribute. They tackle well, they hit hard, and some can rush the passer, but coverage is a whole different ball game. Also our NB is terrible. D. Coleman needs to be improved somehow asap because he gets abused constantly.
I agree. Revis and Rhodes are as good as it gets. But Lowery is a 4th round rookie who is probably going to be a solid starter but he's still a rookie. Even last year teams would pick on Revis. Drew Coleman can get killed by anyone and while I don't have the stats I'm sure when teams go to three wr's they are attracking him more then anyone else. Having a crappy NB, a below average second safety and linebackers that have trouble in space is killing the pass defense.
The Pass Defense is definately our weakest. Despite Revis and Rhodes teams have been doing good passing on us (Lowery , Smith , Poteat/Coleman/Barrett) but cant complain about how dominant our Run D has been and we get good pressure almost every single game so far.
