2008-2009 Yankees Off-Season Thread

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  1. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    They're going to give the money to someone. Shouldn't it be someone who smacks the shit out of the ball, who would hit right behind ARod and provide the best protection of his career?

    Just think about it realistically. Would you say that Alex Rodriguez is a better natural hitter than David Ortiz? I would. Now think about what Ortiz was able to do with Manny hitting behind him. Now apply that to ARod.

    Smart trade for the Giants. Gets them the Japanese revenue they need to replace all the lost revenue from Bonds. They'd probably make even more than the Yankees, considering the smaller time difference.

    As for Rowand, I don't know enough about how he's performed since I don't follow the NL.

    I'd be okay with this trade. I'm tired of Matsui at this point. If he's playing, he's a consistent hitter. The problem is, for a guy formerly an Iron Man, he's been hurt a lot ever since he broke his wrist. Time to move on.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    They need more than a Rowand. They have no CF, two old left fielders and a RF they will stupidly let go. After all, Cashman is still making the decisions. They need a whole new outfield.
     
  3. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    if they dont bring in manny or another outfielder, then they need to re-sign abreu and bat him behind jeter.....id love to have manny by the way....Alio, forget about gardner in center....aint happening. Im pretty sure cashman was told that he needs a major leaguer in center this year.
     
  4. AlioTheFool

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    Honestly, I want nothing to do with Gardner. He may cover a lot of ground, but he doesn't have the arm, and he can't hit. I just wonder if they'll "give up" on him quickly enough.

    Honestly, I'd love to know if Nady could play center. I don't think he'd make a "great" center fielder, but as long as he could be servicable, I'd put him in center, Manny in left, and Abreu in right. I still don't understand why the Yankees don't want to bring back Abreu. He was the best overall hitter on the team last year.

    Imagine the lineup:

    Damon DH
    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    ARod 3B
    Manny LF
    Nady CF
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    ??? 1B

    In this scenario, I wouldn't even worry about a good hitting 1B. I'd just get a good defensive one. But imagine we managed Teixeira? Damon would actually have to bat 9th in that scenario I think:

    Jeter SS
    Abreu RF
    Teixeira 1B
    ARod 3B
    Manny LF
    Nady CF
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Damon DH

    Holy shit, can you imagine? And before anyone starts with the whole "That's a lot of money that could be spent on pitching," save it. The Yankees are going to back the Brinks truck up to the new Stadium and start dumping bags at pitchers' feet this winter. They're going to spend money, they may as well spread it around.
     
  5. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Manny is still probably the number 3 hitter in that lineup, like it or not. ^ And he may bat .800 with Arod providing the protection for him. I'm also not sold on Nady either. He never batted much more than the low .260s in his career and only batted .268 in half a year in NY.
     
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  6. AlioTheFool

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    I wouldn't object to ARod protecting Manny. I think it works better the way I said, but either way, with two of the best bats in the game back-to-back, you're talking about a middle of the lineup that is scary.
     
  7. AlioTheFool

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    As far as Nady, he's not going to hit .300+. But he does bring some decent numbers with him. Last year he hit 25 HR, and 97 RBI. 12 & 40 with the Yankees. Not bad numbers in just 59 games. I like him and I think he's worth keeping around.
     
  8. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I think I read a couple weeks back that the Yankees are interested in bringing in Cameron to play CF. Not sure how that is now but would have been good when he played with the Mets maybe.
     
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    I think for San Fran, it has more to do with the contract they gave Rowand. Matsui having 2 seasons as opposed to 4, and him being Japanese are just icing. Still, from a baseball standpoint, not the smartest move.
     
  10. JoeJet

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    Its amazing how nobody wants to play for the Yankees unless you outbid every other team. There is no more pride in playing for the Yankees.
     
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    You goto the Yankees to make money. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
  12. jonnyd

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    your boy Beltran begged the Yankees to sign him...begged them...and then relunctantly went to the Mets.
     
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    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    MORONIC STATEMENT....EVERY PLAYER IS ABOUT THE MONEY...BUT THE YANKEES OFFER MORE THAN THAT.....chance to win...history etc....why do people got to the Red Sox other than money? Why the Astros or the Padres r the Tigers?
     
  14. dwalsh

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  15. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Why would they? Why would anybody ever want to play in NY if the money was the same everywhere else and have to put up with the media they have to face everyday? They would much prefer to hide in Minnesta or somewhere. That's just another of the typically stupid remarks you always seem to make.
     
  16. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    That is apretty ridiculous comment. Especially considering this is the 1st season in a long time they didn't make the playoffs.
     
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  17. Don

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    What a shame that Mickey Mouse GM couldn't have figured this out a year ago when he could have had Santana for Kennedy and Cabrerra or Hughes and Cabrerra at most. Instead they will sign or try to sign Fat Toad II for more than it would have cost to sign Santana. Three years down the road he will have blown out his back or knee because of his obesity. Still wondering why the Steinbrenners wanted Cashman back. He must have pictures. Can't be anything else.

    ""Brian Cashman has not altered his priorities at all since the season ended. The Yankee GM is focusing on starting pitching, followed by starting pitching and then some more starting pitching.

    In this period when teams can express interest to free agents but not yet offer firm dollars, Cashman has called the representatives for both CC Sabathia and Derek Lowe to state the obvious: Boy, are the Yankees interested.

    And A.J. Burnett soon might fall into that category, as well. Cashman reiterated yesterday - on the first full day of the GM meetings in Dana Point, Calif. - that "We don't need one, we need multiple starters." He considers only Chien-Ming Wang and Joba Chamberlain as rotation certainties for 2009."

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11042008/sports/yankees/worst_fielder_in_majors_136772.htm
     
  19. BroadwayMike

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    Die Cashman, Die.

    Source: Brian Cashman mulling wild pitch to bring back Carl Pavano
    BY MARK FEINSAND
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

    Tuesday, November 4th 2008, 1:26 AM

    Dunn/Getty
    Carl Pavano spent more time watching than pitching during his four years in Bronx.


    DANA POINT, Calif. - When Carl Pavano walked off the mound on Sept. 25, most people assumed it would be the last time he would ever wear a Yankees uniform.

    Not so fast.

    Pavano, one of the biggest free-agent busts of all-time, could wind up back with the Bombers this winter as the Yankees look to fill three spots in their starting rotation.

    FIXING THE YANKEES FOR 2009
    General manager Brian Cashman, who inked Pavano to a four-year, $39.95 million contract in December 2004, remains a big fan of the oft-injured righthander, according to a source, making a return to the Bronx a realistic possibility for the 32-year-old.

    "Cashman has definitely not closed the door on Pavano at all," the source said.

    Cashman himself acknowledged that he is open to any and all options this winter, though he wouldn't specifically address Pavano's situation.

    THE FANS VOTE: YANKEES KEEP 'EM OR DUMP 'EM
    "I'm not ruling anything out," Cashman said. "We have needs, so we'll have to go to the marketplace, be it through free agency or through trades, to fill those needs."

    Pavano's agent, Tom O'Connell, was at the St. Regis Monarch Beach resort Monday during the first day of the general manager's meetings to speak with Cashman about Pavano, though the two sides had not gotten together as of early Monday night.

    Bringing back Pavano certainly won't be the big move the Yankees are looking to make this winter, but rather one that could help fill in the back end of the rotation.

    PHOTO GALLERY: CASHMAN'S HITS AND MISSES
    CC Sabathia remains the big fish in the free-agent pond, one the Yankees figure to make a huge push to sign in the coming weeks. A published report Monday said the Brewers - who have another 10 days of exclusive negotiating rights with the big lefty - made Sabathia an offer over the weekend, though it is a virtual certainty that he will wait to test the market before signing a new contract.

    Two industry sources at the GM meetings believed the Brewers' offer was in the $100 million range over five or six years, but it will likely take at least the $137.5 million and six years that Johan Santana got from the Mets to land Sabathia, the 2007 AL Cy Young winner.

    "It's in their hands," Brewers GM Doug Melvin told The Associated Press when asked about Milwaukee's latest offer. "He hasn't really had a chance to talk with other teams."

    Greg Genske, who represents Sabathia, arrived at the GM meetings Monday but did not stop to speak with reporters.

    Cashman said that as of now, he counts only Chien-Ming Wang and Joba Chamberlain as certainties in the Yankees' 2009 rotation. Mike Mussina hasn't decided whether he wants to play next season and the Yankees haven't decided whether they want to bring Andy Pettitte back, leaving many questions about the state of the rotation.

    "We won't be one and done," Cashman said.

    Teams are not permitted to discuss financial terms with free agents on other teams until Nov. 14, though they are allowed to express their interest between now and then. Cashman has reached out to several free agents, though he wouldn't disclose which players or agents he has contacted.

    "In some cases, it's pretty obvious," Cashman said.

    O'Connell indicated that Pavano's first choice would be to return to the Yankees, a sign that the pitcher wants to prove his doubters wrong after four seasons wrought with injury and ridicule.

    "At the end of the day, his first choice would be to come back to New York," O'Connell said. "He feels he has some unfinished business."

    Unfortunately for Pavano and the Yankees, that wasn't very often. Pavano made just 26 starts in four years, going 9-8 with a 5.00 ERA. He made 17 starts in 2005 before missing the rest of the year with a bum shoulder, then started just twice in 2006-07 as a result of various injuries to his back, ribs, buttocks and elbow, the last of which resulted in Tommy John surgery, which he had in June 2007.

    "His time in New York was difficult because he suffered some injuries that he couldn't control," O'Connell said. "As far as the organization, he loved the organization, the front office was always good to him, the coaching staff, his teammates - everyone. He enjoyed pitching for the Yankees when he was healthy."

    Pavano returned from his elbow surgery in August to make seven starts, going 4-2 with a 5.77 ERA. He went five or more innings and allowed three runs or less in four of those outings, though pitchers returning from Tommy John surgery typically return to their previous form in their second season back. "When he's healthy, he can pitch," Cashman said.
     
  20. AlioTheFool

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    Carla back again!?!?

    Seriously?!?!

    If he comes back for the veteran's minimum I'd invite him to spring training. Otherwise, suck ass Pavano you lousy good-for-nothing POS.

    Bringing this asshole back would definitely scar my opinion of Cashman.
     

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