Hope is for the off-season, pre-season and weeks 1 - 4. By week 9, the team is what it is...a mediocre team with above average talent. I am not sure why you need to come after anyone that isn't stoked to be 4-3. Understand that every Jet fan enjoyed the 4 wins, but when you look at their body of work a few things stick out: 1) The Jets 4 wins have come against teams that are a combined 8 - 21 2) The Jets have not put together a 4-Quarter game yet 3) The Jets lost to one of the worst teams in the league 4) The Jets coaches seem incapable of making in-game adjustments... (i.e. once the opponents figure out the game plan the Jets still stick to it or they can't adjust to a different game plan than they anticipated from an opponent, e.g. KC's spread offense)
Why should the Colts be showing age and wear? If anything, they're being held back by the inexperience of a few new starters...specifically on the OL. And the Chargers and Jags suck...well easy enough to say right now.
Hey, let me play. Eric Mangini isnt that bad.........lets look at the following; Lane Kiffin Scott Linehan Herm Edwards
1. You cannot even understand what you read. Read again, till you understand it. Defense fooling the offense was NOT the point I was making. 2. I haven't talked that much about Jets D, other than they are not applying enough pressure. (I made a comparison to Dolphins D, who are actually applying pressure - that's about all the reference I made to Jets D - and surprise. That wasn't even on this thread either.) 3. A single play might not be, but if you see strings of these, shouldn't you be concerned? 4. Favre got hit as he threw - and he got hit a LOT. Most of the time, incomplete, as no receiver was open. This means there was more than a few of these "occurrences"; there were a LOT of these happening (which prompted me to scream out "Where is the running game??" upon the sight of yet another empty 5 WR set) I feel like my time is wasted trying to have some "discussion" with you.
Uh huh. 1. If we slumped 4 straight games, we'd still be 2-2 during that disgusting run. 2. If a 4 game "slump" in this team only results in 2 losses, isn't that a *good* thing? Cause we won 2 games while playing nowhere near as well as we have and should? No? Take the pessimistic view instead and for the 23820382380 week in a row declare that the sky is falling? Cool and thanks, but no thanks. 3. Didn't I just say I wouldn't like it? I really wonder what's going to happen to this board when this team finishes the year with 10 or 11 wins. Do you realize how like pathetic the bolded is? 1. You're assuming you're correct that the Jets are doing nothing and have done nothing to correct any issues. But you're the fair one here. You KNOW how it is, I'm some dude who just likes the pretty colors or soemthing. 2. You're assuming that you're correct in that the plan is to *not* attack weaknesses. Fair. 3. You've spent more time telling me things you assume to be true, how wrong I am, and how dumb my outlook on the team is. What're you doing different from me? You're just a shill backed by a bunch of people with somewhat similar beliefs, thats all. Don't act like you're fuckin...better than me lol. Cool. Maybe you can start a thread about how you owned me in one of the other forums though. lol. I add little to the forum...cause a bunch of vague complaints based on some isolated plays that didn't work for us is REAL substance...
In the seemingly unlikely event that will happen, everyone on the board would f'n ecstatic because we are Jets fans. What you continually fail to understand is that the people who are critical of the team want them to win just as much as you.
No, I just fail to understand why minor complaints have to be what gets us through the week. People are talking about our 3 game slump. Our 3 game slump that includes 2 fuckin wins.
I'm not assuming anything, I am seeing it on the field, bright boy. There's plenty of intelligent discussion here which you gloss over and denounce as 'whining', instead focusing on 'proving them wrong' with weak arguments. That fact that you fail to notice so many things that are wrong with the team leads me to believe one of the two following is likely: 1) You don't really understand what is going on during the game on Sunday (and use box scores to make your arguments, that's the ticket) or 2) You don't want to know that anything is wrong with the team until they fail, and then you shift into 'We'll get 'em next year' mode like every other blindly loyal fool out there. You add nothing. Maybe we should have a Rah-Rah Forum where all the shills can get together for a circle jerk every time we squeak out a win against the worst teams in the league.
Lack of any consistency is a "minor complaint?" Losing to the Raiders is a "minor complaint?" Allowing a 3rd string QB to look like vintage-Favre is a "minor complaint?" Struggling to 2 wins against teams that are 1-14 is a "minor complaint?" Having a HOF QB that just marched down the field to tie the game and then letting him throw only three passes in 12 minutes of overtime is a "minor complaint?" Having players questioning the coaches play calling is a "minor complaint?" The fact of the matter is that if the Jets 2 wins in the last three games had come against quality opponents people would be willing to give the team a mulligan for the debacle in Oakland and these "complaints" would be minor.
Why do the Colts have two inexperienced starters? The team is in transition, Manning isn't 100% and they have issues. They made a good long run at the top, they made that run count with a SB. They still have the best QB in the league and they could rebuild to another run behind him but this looks like a transition year. The Chargers have underachieved for a few years now, I wouldn't be thrilled with the current HC and the direction of that team. It looks like they, like the Colts peaked in talent and unlike the Colts didn't get it done. The Jags are playing like Jags and? The Jets are playing very much like Jags as well. We see a glimpse of talent one really good game and that's it. Yes we are 4 and 3 a product of the league and our talent. There is nothing to suggest that this team is putting it together and will become an elite team. A win over the Bills who are certainly no more talented than us won't establish that either. When we see this team improve their play on both sides of the ball, develop an identity, play consistently and at a consistently high level than you can make an argument that the team is going in the right direction. The thing is have we seen the team improve from week to week? Have we seen consistent effort? Have we seen any reason to believe that the team is moving forward, developing chemistry, consistency and an identity? I don't see it at all. I hope we do because in this league you can be mediocre for half a season but at some point you have to do more than think about getting better you have to play better. Now while you don't see any of that as a reflection on the coaching staff, many of us do see it that way. Rich Kotite may well have gone 9 & 7 the following year if he wasn't fired, I can't argue that Mangini, Sutton and Shotty aren't great behind the scenes. I can only argue that what I see is a fairly uninspired team with little to no real identity on either side of the ball showing enough flashes of talent to win 4 out of 7 against a bad field.
Lol...or maybe I just don't pretend I know shit so I can win either way? I join you and say the Jets suck...if they do suck I'm right and I get to announce I'm right like I'm sure you will. The Jets are fine in the end? Good, cause I'm a Jets fan. All you've done is made this a safe game for you to play. You're not fucking...seeing more than I see I know perfectly well whats wrong with this team...the difference is I think it's entirely fixable while you treat it like its a sure sign of the fucking apocalypse...until it isn't then you can pretend its always been this good. Lol...tf you think you're watching the game with such objective, learned eyes that you can see shit a "homer" like me can't? Good jokes man...and all I have to do to pretend I'm super analytical like you is say "zomg, the coaching staff sucks" and "we should have passed" on a bad run play and vice versa on bad pass play? My stance on the Jets is that we're a talented team that hasn't really figured out what they want to be as a team yet. Do I hold it against them like many here do? Nope. Personally, I think this is a sign that the players need to step up just as much as the coaches do...I doubt Ray Lewis has an image problem...this team needs a little swagger and swagger develops with a big win that boosts confidence. It's a slow process...but we don't have anything but time. It's not like they're going to fire anyone 8 weeks in.
I totally agree with the bolded part above. What I hate about the in game coaching is by going to the prevent and by having an empty backfield against a team like the Chiefs on 3rd and 2 you are telling the players that they can't be trusted to out physical their opponents. If you want the players to develop personality give the guys on the front 7 on D the go ahead to attack in passing downs and give the big guys on the OL the plays that attack the defensive line. The coaching screams finese and the Jets are trying to finese teams they should outright beat the shit of.
You're really bad at this. You try to stereotype me as a doomsayer when you know it's not true, but it just makes you feel comfortable to do it since you have to have this weak-minded 'me against the world' mentality when you post. You apply other peoples' argmuents to me and think it's a wicked way of debating, instead of a moron's task. It's a sad thing to watch, actually. You sit there and assume everything is going to be okay and predict 10-11 wins when we've been picked apart by: Cassel Fitzpatrick Russell Thigpen You think that's progress? This is Mangini's third year and our defense is getting handled by nobody quarterbacks every week. Yeah, you really have a handle on the team, they are showing progress.
And again I ask you...whats the difference between you and I then? All you've done is tag the homer label to me while I tag the pessimist to you. So to your post: Cassel - His team beat us by 9 points. He "handled" us by throwing for 165 yards and 0 TDs. Fitzpatrick - "Handled" us by throwing for 152 yards, 0 TDs, and losing by 12 points. Russel - Actually did play well for the Raiders last week. This nobody was the #1 pick in the draft a year ago, but thats an excuse. Thigpen - Really did rape us. Too bad he lost. It's not exactly like those 4 stocked up on points against us....but that doesn't matter...we should have crushed all 4 teams by a combined score of a billion to nothing.
That was amazing Box Score Analysis, and proof that you are a waste of debate. Anyone that watched those games objectively knows how bad our defensive midfield was against those pathetic QBs.
Yea...as compared to your super sound, hardcore breakdown of how those 4 QB's handled us. "Anyone who watched those games..." lol...thanks for the explanation of how I'm wrong. I must have just missed the games, or not REALLY watched them like you did. You're not opening my eyes to anything new. The defensive midfield has been weak. A minor issue compared to the major issue of our 9 turnovers vs. 1 forced turnover in the past 3 weeks. Big picture, something you seem adept at ignoring. Go back to ignoring me dude...you spend more time telling other posters how they're not right than trying to back your points...thats not debating thats fuckin wasting time.
Big picture? You are neither willing, nor capable of seeing the big picture. You sit there in your fantasy world looking down on the rest of us Jets fans telling us we're railing against nothing, and you bring box score stats. Every fucking time. You oppose peoples' points by telling them they are whining. You suck, dude. I'm glad you are the pathetic minority of people of fail to see the problems with the team, because if you were in the majority, this board would suck, too.
Our whole defense with the exception of Jenkins and Revis are playing bad. The Secondary would have nothing to worry about if the Qb did not have time to throw on a consistent basis. The non existant rush from our De opposite Ellis since Abraham walked out the door. Where is our number one pick pass rushing specialist on obvious passing downs. The Qb can't throw from his back and the secondary does not have to worry about getting torched if the Line was worth a d**n. We gave those bums time to throw. The Whole defense if BAD!!!!!
The issue is not the individual players, its the scheming of the coaches. Thats why there is so much time to throw.
