Indictment to Mangini more than Herm doing well. This thread is making fun of Herm if anything. He hasn't learned shit from being here, and he is up to the same losing tricks that he did here.
Yeah that's why I posted this right after the game ended when someone was praising Herm for making it close:
I don't think you realize the lack of talent on KC's team, it was amazing they were even in the game. Yet he had alot of success here while Mangini is doing a terrible job and the Chiefs totally outcoached Mangenious and his staff.
Sad but true. How can we not worry when Herm & outcoached usually work the other way around. I hate to say it, but i'm no longer drinking Mangini's coolaid!
I'm well aware of the overall lack of talent on K.C. That said, they are still NFL players and they do have some talent. Bowe is a sick receiver and Gonzo is nice too. Anyway, bad NFL teams can usually beat good NFL teams when they have a +3 turnover ratio. I don't care who the teams are.
Junc the bottom line is your boy Herm is 1 and 6 and has lost 15 of his last 16 games as a head coach and Mangini is 4-3 with a shot at 1st place. You can defend the guy all you want but the reason KC lost yesterday is the same reason they lost that playoff game at Pitt and the reason the Browns came back from a 21-0 deficit in 02 and the reason the guy is not coaching here anymore...... because he is a pussy of a head coach. He has no backbone and his play not to lose attitude is wearing thin in KC and it's likely going to get his ass fired. You want reality... reality is as bad as Mangini is a coach this team still has a real shot at the playoffs and KC's season was over before it even began. I also find it ironic that the Chefs are down to QB number 3 this season as his 1st two are done for the year..... now how many times has he had a QB play a full 16 game season? Only once in his 1st year with Vinny.... why is that?
I don't care what he does in KC, he was a good coach for US! He has very little talent in KC, they are i full rebuilding mode. We never jhad a season like last year under Herm, at least when we stunk we had injuries but we were a mostly healthy team last year. It's hysterical how you guys still go on and on about Herm yet he the man who replaced him has been MUCH worse and the fans are now calling for his head. I have given Mangini a million chances and, much like Favre, I badly want Mangini to succeed but so far it's not looking good. Why have his QBs gone down? Bad luck. Are you seriously blaming him for Chad being injury prone or for the Chiefs QBs going down?
I criticized Herm plenty, the problem is EVERYTHING wasn't Herm's fault like you guys always discuss. Herm was blamed for everything and didn't get any credit for winning, I just inject a dose of reality into the Herm discussions and hopefully those can end now that we aren't playing the Chiefs anymore.
I gave Herm plenty of credit while he was here, spare me the blanket statements. The problem is, he takes the credit for the wins and spreads the blame for the losses. That's what I mean when I say nothing is ever his fault. He'll throw the entire team and his own CS under the bus before he will admit fault 99% of the time. The one time I remember him taking credit for a mistake was when he admitted he should have played Cotchery more. I was shocked, actually.
That's because we won DESPITE Herm being the coach. Herm inherited a solid team and ran it into the ground... He's done the exact same thing with KC.
I wouldn't call it bad luck, I'd say there is a direct correlation between Herm's inability to put a good OL in front of his QB's and the beating they take because of it. You can bitch and complain about Mangina all you want but he also made the playoffs in year 1 and if the playoffs started today he'd be in them in year 3. I'm not defending Mangina in fact I think his in game coaching is just as bad as Herm's and his inability to make adjustments may be even worse. Your a smart guy but your constant defending of Herm makes you look like you don't knwo what you are talking about. There is a reason the guy is losing in KC and it isn't because the team is young. It's because he is a bad coach there is nothing else except that.
Again, show me ONE example when he took credit for wins and blamed everyone else for losses. So solid that they missed the playoffs 2 straight years before Herm got there then miraculously made it 2 straight years under Herm and we were so far in the ground that Mangini's only success came w/ Herm/Bradway players he inherited. In KC the talent has been getting worse each year, that's more on the GM. Herm took an underachieving KC team to the playoffs in 2006 when he had some talent.
Sad but true. I hated Hackett but actually was wishing he was the OC for yesterdays game after 3 quarters.
Look at every press conference after a Jets or Chiefs loss and you'll find Herm throwing someone under the bus. When they lose he says it was execution. When they win it's 'we we we'.
Now lets be honest one of those years we had Rick Mirer and Ray Lucas throwing passes and in year two they somehow lost to Detroit at home when a win would have put them into the playoffs. I'll give you Herm and 2 straight years but lets be honest it's not like they ran through the division and had a playoff spot locked up in week 14 or 15. It took a great kick by John Hall in year 1 and in year 2 the Pats to somehow come back and beat the Phins with 10 points in what 3 minutes? Oh and the year we lost to Pitt we somehow lost to the Rams and if not for the Bills losing to a Pitt team with 1/2 their team in street clothes we would have been on the outside looking in. Yes Herm made it in 3 times and he should be comended for that but you also need to take note of that we were only a few plays away in each of those 3 years from making it 0.
Who cares about what he did for US? The article is about what he did during YESTERDAY'S game as a coach of the Chiefs. Whenever anyone comments about the piss-poor job he's doing in KC, you always bring up what he did here and the stats of what he did here. He's 1-15 in his last 16 games. But it's everyone elses' fault I guess
