Mangini's Take: When Eric Mangini was asked about the lack of commitment to the running game, he said, "We looked at different things we liked and went with those things. We thought we had real good opportunities in the passing game." Calvin Pace's: "Ideally, we don't want to make it that close against a team like that," Jets linebacker Calvin Pace said. "We've got to play so much better than that to get where we want to be."
Well Clemens was under Pennington for 2 years and that didn't turn out too well. Also, Favre has been in the league, what is it, 16 years? I am sure he picked up a few things during that time period. He also knows how to thrive under pressure and how to win the big game, remember the SB he won? I have a feeling they can learn alot from Favre.
Most overrated players don't hold records....and certainly not as many as Favre holds. How's the smell up in yer azz
What have you seen from KC that makes you classify him as promising? If you mean he fills a roster spot, then sure, he's promising. As for being an NFL QB, go look at Glen Foley and you will then see what KC is. Ainge? Have you seen him throw a meaningful pass? My guess is you haven't. Ratliff lit up the 3rd stringers in PS. That just bleeds promise, as long as we need him to play against 3rd stringers in PS.
Yep that is the culture of mediocrity that some poster referred to that prevades the entire organization
I'm not saying Favre doesn't know what he's doing, but the way he goes about it is not something that can be taught to someone else. Regarding Clemens, his failures are his own fault, not Chad's.
I thought Foley showed more promise than Clemens, actually, he just got hurt too much and couldn't stay on the field.
We are lucky to be at 4-3...we lost to the raiders, patriots without brady at home!...and almost lost to the 1 win chiefs BAD 1) Bob Sutton doesnt know what defense is 2) Our offensive playcalling makes no sense 3) Favre is throwing picks like its nothing in scoring territory!!! 4) our kicker(s) cant kick field goals 5) Again, our pass d fucking blows, we played thigpen, and ryan fitzpatrick, and jamarcus russell!!! we made them look like pro bowlers GOOD 1) LEON WASHINGTON if we utilize leon the same way the saints utilize reggie bush, we will see more points and itll take pressure off our 90 year old interception machine qb
The Mere fact that an organization like the Packers and Steelers would let Farve and Faneca go should have been warning signs. They get rid of guys before they fall off and draft well to have their replacements waiting.
I think Kc got a raw deal actually. If Cp was not there and it was his team I think we would have seen different results. VG is a combine workout warrior bust.
All of that can be said for every young QB prospect ever drafted before they hit the field. And my post was in response to people on this thread riding Henne's and Pennington's jock. If you bothered to read the thread completely you would have seen I talked about all three in a later post. I am no fan of Clemens, I said as much. But you are writing all 3 off just because they haven't started yet? How many of the great QBs sat on the bench and developed before starting? It doesn't mean they didn't show promise and qualities that allowed them to stay on the roster. I guess if we let all three go, drafted a QB in round 1 and he turned out to be a bust that would be better? The fact is there are 3 young and talented QBs on the roster, let them learn behind a HOF QB for a few years and hope one of them pans out. The risk with them is no more or less than any other QB prospect.
He was not that special in college to get drafted that high. A great game last year and a great combine. Time will tell. To be drafted with the sixth pick Ya would think he could get in on pass rushing situations or at least make at least one play we can remember this year.
Carl Banks was on The Fan with Joe Beningo a short while ago. I know some of you are not Banks fans, but he made some very good points. 1) The Jets are trying too hard to be chameleons. Every game is "game-plan specific," whatever the hell that actually means. Well, okay, I think I know what it means. It means you game-plan every game differently to change things up for whoever is up next. You alter yourself and custom-taylor everything on a weekly basis. Problem is, according to Banks, they haven't concentrated on their basics. There's so much change going on and they're so busy being chameleons, there's nothing to fall back on, nothing solid. I think this is a direct criticism of Mangini in what he is saying... that perhaps Mangini is trying to be so Belichick-like that his team is not about a solid game plan. He claims you have to be a solid team FIRST, then you can become a chameleon if you want to and THEN it works. 2) Because they're trying to be so chameleon-like, they don't even know who they really are. They look different in every game and have no true "identity," according to Banks. He believes the Jets have to find out who they really are and then work on that and perfect it. The chameleon stuff can follow if that's what you want to do. 3) His third point was that up until August, this team was more or less built around Chad Pennington and Chad's style. We even drafted around that style. Now you introduce Brett Favre, as different as night and day. Favre wants to sling it around and do the opposite of Pennington and it's a fit that's going to take a lot longer to consumate. He claims we've built our personnel around Chad, to some extent. Now Favre is here and the team is still off-kilter and the playeres are still adapting to the change in QB. He also finds fault with Mangini here because he thinks Mangini is trying to have the team fit Favre's style and not vice-versa. It's a whole new ahnge for the rest of the team and that's where the kinks are. the Jets are not playing like a solid unit because they were built around one QB and now they're all trying to adapt around the new QB. Again... chameleons. Somewhere in all this talk radio-ese, he might have a good point or two.
The year isn't over yet. Just saying it might be a bit premature to call any player a bust 7 games into their career. I know we are Jets fans and we like to overreact, but lets try to have some perspective.
He hit the nail on the head with this one. Mangini thinks he is bigger than the show. He is not smarter than the game.
