Have you seen me? / The Ghost / Vernon Gholston

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  1. sackexchange

    sackexchange Well-Known Member

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    I don't know. I'm starting to think the problem isn't Gholston. I think the problem is the Jets' coaching staff's inability to develop raw talent. If Gholston played for the Pats I'll bet he'd be having much more of an impact. Nobody is better at making Chicken Soup out of Chicken Shit than Belichick.
     
  2. Italian Seafood

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  3. KSJets

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    Mario Williams and LaMar Woodley would disagree with you. They both wound up with only 4.5 and 4 sacks their rookie years. Woodley only had 14 total tackles.

    Williams finished with 14 sacks his second year, and Woodley is having a pretty impressive year so far in his second year.
     
  4. KSJets

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    He played every game, pretty much ever down, of course he had more opportunities. Gholston has barely played, but I think that is also because Pace and Thomas are both having good years. It's hard to sit a starter who is playing well for a rookie just to get the rookie in there.
     
  5. Hemi

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    I think the point of this thread is the fact that Vernon is not even making it onto the field...not even to spell anyone...nothing.

    That just makes us all speculate. I realize the outside backers have been good. And I hope it is a case of just not needing him on the field. Which if that is true then fine. I can wait if greatness is to come.
     
  6. I can buy pass rushers...but in a complex 3-4 scheme there is alot to the OLB position. Containment,pass coverage, gap assignment adjustments, zone reads, etc.

    Additionally, there is something to be said for developing technique as a pass rusher. How else would you explain the slow starting careers for Mario Williams,Anthony Carter,Kalimba Edwards and our very own Bryant Thomas and Calvin Pace?

    The only explanation i can come up w/ is this: Generally SPEED rushers...guys w/ exceptional speed/quickness like John abraham,Julius Peppers,Kamerion Wimbley and Javon Kearse get away alot w/ poor technique/hand placement early b/c their just so fast off the edge that it doesnt matter. But for the bigger, stronger pass rushers(like mentioned above) who maybe alittle more athletic but not as quick/fast....the lack of technique shows early and can cause some problems. Gholston has decent quickness but lacks a really good first step...he may fall into the "bigger stronger guy" where technique matters alot more early...true technique doesnt really start to "click" for most young DE's till at least the the last quarter of year 1.
     
  7. Grogan

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    What exactlly has the Jet organization done in 40 years for Jet fans to be happy about??? I may make fun of Jet fans from time to time being a rival fan, but would never say they don't love their team, they clearly do, and spend a ton of money every year on them. As for Gholstein, I have no idea what he will or will not be, but to get nothing out of a top 5 pick is clearly a sign of poor player evaluation, and questionable draft logic.
     
  8. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Oh, jesus.
     
  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    This may set the standard for bad Jet draft picks. Might even make Johnny Lam Jones look like a hall of famer. Oh wait, we need to give him 5 years to show us what he has.
     
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    How many of thoses guys were top 5 picks, and how many did nothing at all their first year? There's slow and there's nothing, a big difference between the two.
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    You left out invisible.
     
  12. KSJets

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    From time to time? It's ALL you do, troll.
     
  13. SigmaXJet

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    if we were 0-7 or 1-6 i would care about this issue more.
     
  14. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Oh that is a toughie question that U posed. After thinking about it for the last 1/2 hour I can only come up with a one word answer NOTHING
     
  15. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    C'mon Champ. Wesley Walker was pretty badass back in the day. And with one eye tied behind his back, no less. You had to be happy with him at least.
     
  16. SigmaXJet

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    How many of those guys were drafted to teams that had ZERO depth at the position of which those guys were drafted? The Jets are one of the few teams that have the luxury of benching a guy like gholston for someone else where as the teams that drafted those guys had no choice but to put them on the field. How many snaps has he been on the field for? Is it really time to call him a bust already?
     
  17. Jersey Joe 67

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    More apt to find it on a mik carton, rather then a box score!
     
  18. ShadeTree#55

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    Does he play on ST?
     
  19. Jersey Joe 67

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    We can bitch about a lot of things in regards to this coaching staff, but we cannot complain about the way they have drafted. I think we've been pretty sucessful in at least that aspect.
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl
     

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