Year 1- 10-6 with herms players. Not a bad start mangini. This is not a credit to herm either because the man was horrible. If anything, this 10-6 is due to parcells leftovers Year 2- 4-12 The transition is starting to take place, herms roster is slowlyy but surely transformed into mangini's "core" guys. Our failures in the season are attributed to eric's coaching failures and the preceeding regime. A pass is due however ...... year 3- ????? As of now we are 3-3. The front office spent a ton of money to get eric his guys. This is eric manginis roster. There is no reshaping the roster if you fail, no free agents waiting to save the team nor a draft to fall back on. Win now or IMO, GTFO.... Seriously. The conservative playcalling is disturbing. We all damned chad pennington for 6 years and his modest 8- yards per throw. Well Mr. Brett Favre is averaging the least yards per throw in his career and MR. Water Gun is number 8 in the nfl in the same category. This is coaching ladies and gentlemen. You were an unproven commodity eric and still have a long way to go to prove you belong in this league. Dont get me wrong, i am rooting for you, i want the jets to win this year. However, if we fail, and by the looks of things coupled with our unimpressive 3-3 start, this is the end of the line for mangini For the future, just a suggestion, stop with the experimentation and go back to a proven NFL head coaching commodity
There's no set formula......like, it's year three so this is the year. Parcells went 6-10 in his third year in New England (Coming off a 10 win season in his second year). In his fourth year, he went to the Super Bowl. So under your plan he's out after year 3 and they probably don't go to the bowl. We've seen things that we haven't seen in years here, most notably stuffing the run. If we are to falter this year, we gotta keep Brett happy so he comes back one more year. I'd go out and get the best free agent receiver out there in the off season and we'll have a shot next year.
I'm a big proponent of trying to maintain stability in the coaching staff if possible. Changing coaches every 3 years is a good way to never stay competitive. Mangini & Co haven't been perfect but they're smart, young and driven. If you listen to Mangini when he really talks about the x's and o's of football the man knows his shit and he's very intelligent. I'd like to see us stick with him and give him a chance to really build this team. I won't be happy if we have a shitty season but ditching the coach is not always the answer.
he is going to need 09, but its going to be a pressure filled year if the playoffs aren't made this year. He makes the playoffs and wins a wildcard game - he'll get an extension. I don't know whats going to happen anymore... i just hope that this CS learns to adjust on the fly in a game, because the lack of that ability is making me hate them week by week.
i remember when these two guys got brought in. everyone was saying 5 years, we need to give them 5 years. everyone expected year one to be brutal. 6 wins was the max we could expect. mangini and co. came out and made the freakin playoffs. then year 2 we are all thinking we should still be respectable. the team shits the bed and goes 4-12. now year 3 nobody really knows where the team is going, and now this is make or break time for mangini. i guess i really feel that because mangini came out year one and had so much success he has actually turned people, who at this point might be looking at this current team as finally turning the corner for the future, into people who feel this is it for mangini. i just wonder how the feeling about mangini would be different if the team had come out and performed as expected the first 2 years instead of overachieving in year one. note -- this is in no way an excuse for mangini and the team to this point. this team should be at least 4-2 right now. 3-3 at this point is a disappointment. i guess im just wondering what happened to everyone saying we needed to be patient with this group of coaches and give them the time to figure it all out.
I'd like to give them the time, but the gameplan ineptitude is killing their chances of longevity. They are not learning and adjusting and getting better. They took more chances in 06 and had this desire to win back then. I don't know what changed since then. I just want to see that the young HC is getting better with each season as a gameplanner/manager/decision maker. And after this loss, where the gameplan was just a WTF way to lose, the confidence in them lessens, and even a big win against the Chiefs won't change my mind. I have to see cleverness and adjusting in the chess match of the NFL, and I like Mangini - I want to see him deviate from Friday's gameplan during a game to win it. I'm not asking for a miracle, just smart coaching.
[/QUOTE].........the gameplan ineptitude is killing their chances of longevity. They are not learning and adjusting and getting better.[/QUOTE] >>>>>>>>> My sentiments exactly.
.........the gameplan ineptitude is killing their chances of longevity. They are not learning and adjusting and getting better.[/QUOTE] >>>>>>>>> My sentiments exactly.[/QUOTE] My problem with this thinking is that it's so easy to say when they just lost...and losing somehow made even the wins attackable.
if the wins are being attacked, then something is wrong. There is the element of "Jets fans will complain about anything" but the other side is that the utilization of the players on this team is still highly questionable.
Parcells had been to the SB before,and knows how to build a team..and rather quickly. Most are still wondering if mangini has any clue about anything football. He has been givin some quality players this year,he screws it up he should be shit canned.
If Favre doesn't throw 8 picks in the last 5 games all of you are signing a different tune. The coaching staff and front office have building up a nice young team going forward. They still have plenty of areas to work on but so do does every team in the NFL. I believe some of you are forgetting when Herm was here and the team wouldn't even even give effort or would get blown off the field. The coaches have made their fair share of mistakes but every coach makes mistakes. We keep turning the ball over and that's why this team looks so awful.
"Some quality players" doesn't always cut it though. I mean even the Rams have some quality players. We still have glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed and, in my opinion, that's more to blame than the crappy play-calling.
Simple question: Have the Jets improved from the time Mangini took over the team? Are they headed in the right direction? Seems to me we're stuck in neutral with no clear idea of the direction we're going in. If I were a Dolphins fan I would be more hopeful for future success than I am as a Jets fan.
The extent to which Mangini has gotten the roster he wants reaches to the level of ironic comedy. So you want a massive nose tackle? Here's Kris Jenkins. You want a strong armed QB? How does Brett friggin' Favre sound? The guy has gotten the roster he wanted to play the schemes he wants and he's got the assistants he wants. I can't remember a Jets coach who has less of an excuse for failure. Joe Walton never had a roster this good and the fans went with the torches and pitchforks routine. ps. Herm had assistants he didn't want forced on him in the beginning. Mangini has gotten things his way to a greater extent than any Jets coach I can remember except for the fat guy from Jersey. The GM is Mangini's friggin best friend and it shows.
Well, if the qualifications for being a good coach was prior success and you get fired after three years if you haven't won a Super Bowl already, then many coaches that turned out to be good coaches never would have gotten the chance.........including Parcells. He didn't win in his third year with the Giants.
