You don't think the Yanks are embarrassed by Joba's arrest? Are we really having this discussion? Joba drove drunk in Nebraska he wasn't hurting anyone I know. I live near many pro athletes and their actions COULD affect me but more that likely it's the regular person driving drunk that would affect me. My reactions are not different, I am outraged no matter who does it and it disturbs me how some people brush it off like it's no big deal.
Wow, junc. Just when I think you can't shock me anymore, you do. Anyway, if it's so painful for you to root for this team, stop doing it. Stop rooting for the Jets too. Go become a Rays fan, they're happy to welcome bandwagoners aboard. You can all stand around and thump your chests all day.
so... anyways, apparently there's a rumor that the Yankees could try and sign Mike Cameron to a one-year deal as a stop gap center-fielder (link)
Is reading that difficult? Who said it's painful? Is it too much to ask that the players on the teams I root for conduct themselves the right way? Is there a Problem that I am disappointed when players I root for act like buffoons? You may enjoy a drink or 2 then drive and don't see it as a big deal but I don't.
Oh, I see. So it's worse if it affects you somehow. Interesting point of view. Unless it's someone doing it in a place where you don't know anyone, right? Please find me a quote where someone brushed it off like it's no big deal. You, sir, are ridiculous.
So anyway, someone mentioned the Cameron thing to me. I guess we're consigned to not bringing Abreu back then. Is anyone talking about extending Nady? Next year will be his last on his contract, correct? Is Jackson getting an invite to Spring Training? I think I remember reading yes, but I can't remember right now.
Jackson for sure will be at Spring Training next year, but it is highly unlikely he will make the team. Odds are he will hang around for a while, then go to the minor league ST and start the year off in AAA. I wouldn't expect to see him before a September call-up, unless he does absolutely amazing
I watched this stupid Joba thing twice, I think Sunday morning news, with my wife and turned to her and said "I can't believe they are making a big f------ thing deal out of this". My God, its a stupid DWI. Half of America would have one, if they wern't all lucky.
As Alio said, I've shown the same reaction to other drunk drivers. I disliked Chamberlain to begin with for baseball reasons, but this transcends that. Obviously I don't spend my time pouring over the local police reports so I can sit in quiet indignation about each DUI offense. But if I happen to hear about one, my reaction is the same. How can a decent person honestly say that they aren't disgusted by someone WILLFULLY putting their life and the lives of countless other innocent people in danger when they have several easy alternatives? Tell me what isn't disgusting about that.
Were you a drama major? ETA: :smile: Have you ever driven over 75 mph? My god, you're putting the lives of countless others at risk when you have the easy alternative of not exceeding the speed limit! How disgusting! Ever talk on a cell phone while driving (headset or no)? Dear Lord, won't someone think of the children?! Now drinking and driving is worse in the eyes of the law (although there are studies that suggest that talking on the cell phone and other distractions are actually more detrimental to reaction time), and it is certainly treated as a greater criminal offense than the others. I already told you I think he's stupid for doing it, and I don't care for his actions. I'm not making excuses for him here, but just so you know the situation, he's not hammered when he drives after drinking... he's probably a drink or two over the limit. He has told me that he doesn't think that's a big deal because he feels like it is very unlikely that those drinks would be the determining cause in whether or not an accident occurs. And, honestly, he's probably right about that. He's not driving 95mph on the highway, weaving in and out of rush hour traffic. He's not flying through residential neighborhoods at breakneck speed. Given the typical situation where's he's driving after drinking... back roads, but urban roads, late at night... it's not likely to be any kind of issue except a legal one. Does that make it right? Of course not. And this is where I differ with his opinion. I don't think it's worth the risk, given the legal consequences. (I stress legal because if I killed someone in an accident that was my fault while I was sober, I'd feel just as bad as if I had been drinking. My sobriety or lack thereof is not a variable in how shitty I'd feel about killing someone in an accident that was my fault. The difference between, "Geez, I shouldn't have had those two beers," and "Geez, I shouldn't have taken my eyes off the road while trying to grab that CD out of the case," is negligible in terms of how much guilt I would feel. If I killed someone, it'd be hard to feel much worse, period.) I'm not saying it's not a big deal. I'm not saying it's justifiable. But I reserve true and actual disgust for other people, other actions. All of which is beside my original point, which was that I'm willing to bet more people are willing to be "disgusted" by this incident because of who Joba is than because of any real feelings they have on the matter of drunk driving (current crusaders excluded, of course). If you're not one of those people, then there's no issue.
Follow along in the discussion and don't interpret things. You and devil were talking about levels of disgust. I said I am equally disgusted no matter who I hear drives drunk but obviosuly Joba doing it in nebraska doesn't directly affect me whereas if he did it around here it COULD. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=983894&postcount=91 http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=983948&postcount=93 You are defnding driving drunk! saying that driving 75 on a highway is like driving drubk since you are breaking the law either way- do you see how silly this looks? it's not up to you to decide who is disgusted for what reasons. It;s a despicable action no matter who commits it but you have the attitude that many people share- that's it's no big deal to have a few drinks and to drive. My Wife lost a friend that way whcih also resulted in the loss of 4 of her kids probably from someone driving home after a few drinks b/c they thought they were ok to drive but keep making excuses for it and then have the nerve to compare it to driving 75 MPH. Let's move on, just please don't come anywhere near where I live and when you get into an accident please hit an tree not another car or people on the street.
ok junc, if its ok with you , lets get back to baseball so we dont have to continue to listen to your bulllshit which noone agrees with. Go start another "I must respond" thread and embarrass yourself there. Dont take over this thread. You have your opinion, the rest of the board has theirs, lets move on. You think Chad can be the Yankees 4th starter next year?
I don't give a crap if no one agrees. I would like to get back to baseball but I won't apologize for having morals being a good, honest citizen. You guys can attack my posts and that's ok but when you act like I'm crazy for having some morals and doing the right things it gets offensive. The people embarrassing themselves here are the people who are making excuses for that type of behavior and other folsk who don't think what they do represents other people besides just themselves. I get into alot of argumetns and I am constantly attacked but have we noticed I am right most of the time? Just b/c I am in the minority on many of the topics doesn't make me wrong. I don't pile on other posters, I can take care of myself and defned my positions against 1 person or 1,000 people and I'll alwyas present clear argumetns to back up my position unlike most of the people I get in argumetns w/ as evidenced by this particualr discussion we are having.
Whatever, dude. Not what you said. You said you were "MORE outraged" by normal citizens. Here you go (direct quotes by the way).... You: I would hope everyone is outraged when normal citizens drive drunk I am MORE outraged by that b/c it could affect my family and friends if they get killed. Me: Whereas the professional athlete who drives drunk is incapable of hurting anyone? Huh? You: Joba drove drunk in Nebraska he wasn't hurting anyone I know. I live near many pro athletes and their actions COULD affect me but more that likely it's the regular person driving drunk that would affect me. Me: Oh, I see. So it's worse if it affects you somehow. Interesting point of view. I think I followed along pretty well, thank you very much. You're MORE outraged when it's a "normal citizen" because that is more likely to affect you or someone you know. You're out of your element, dude. Just stop. Um, okay. Nowhere in there did anyone say drunk driving isn't a big deal. I said this news story isn't that big of a deal, because drunk driving is a fairly common crime. The only thing that makes it a big deal is that it's Joba. Assuming you meant "defending"... No, I'm not. Nuance and context: Not your strong suits, I see. If you can't wrap your head around how to separate a person saying that other distracting or dangerous driving activities may be similar to the dangers of driving drunk and a person defending drunk driving, then there's no help for you. *shrugs* Yeah, because I've been extolling the virtues of driving drunk and telling everyone how I do it all the time, right? Jesus, dude. X-rays can't penetrate your skull, can they? I'll say one thing... you've got the doublespeak down pat.
The point of that was you saying people are more outraged when celebs do it, I was just accentuating a point- a silly point that you posted. You are basically defending driving drunk saying that driving w/ a cell phone or speeding are as dangerous. You have been telling us you do not condone it all thread long but your words continue to say otherwise. You have said you have been guilty of drinking and driving so if you do it again just don't take out any innoncent people.
Accentuating a point? Face it, dude... you missed the forest for the trees. You wanted to disagree with my initial point about people getting upset when celebrities fuck up, so you had a knee-jerk reaction and typed the opposite, threw up some ad hoc reasoning, and missed the fact that it makes you sound like an ass who thinks it's better when it happens to other people. It's a comparison based on safety. Perhaps you'll understand it this way: I'm not saying drunk driving is okay because it's only just as dangerous as talking on a cellphone... I'm saying -- if we're talking about safety here -- talking on a cellphone is NOT okay, because it's just as dangerous as drunk driving. Capice? This shouldn't be that difficult there, chief. Years ago. We've all done stupid things we're not proud of, haven't we? I'm willing to bet more than 70% of the people you know have done it at one time or another, for whatever reason. I'd even be willing to bet that you have a family member who has done it. But admitting such a thing would mean you'd have to get off your moral high horse. People make mistakes. People do stupid things. Accepting this fact is not condoning the behavior. It's just reality. Ohhhhhh... reality. Silly me. That's probably why you're having a difficult time with this.
Okay, how about we STFU about Joba's DUI? It has nothing to do with baseball, except that he's a Yankee. If certain posters want to toot their own self-righteous horn, feel free to do so, but do it somewhere else. No one gives a shit. So now, in an effort to actually discuss the thread's actual topic: Miranda is an interesting situation. Do we plug in a stop gap while waiting for him to be ready? Do we just give him a legit shot to take the job next year? Or do we send him off in a trade after acquiring Teixeira? I've always been a fan of Tex, but if we've got a legit opportunity to cultivate youth, maybe it's worth a shot? It should be interesting to see how Hughes performs today. I really hope he pans out. He's critical to the long-term success of the club. A top 3 of Chamberlain, Wang, Hughes all pitching to potential would be very formidable, and extremely important in a very competitive AL East.
Juan Miranda can't hit lefties to save his life. Couldn't find his season splits, so this is from July: vs. LHP: .164/.215/.197 vs. RHP: .355/.448/.555
