Mangini's coaching and Favre's inconsistency have led us to mediocrity so far...so what's to be done? Nothing...Nothing for the next two weeks. I give the lame duck coach and the Hall of Fame old-timer the next 14 days to get their act together. I expect them to hit the lay-up this Sunday against Kansas City and then play a ferocious, smart game against Buffalo (win or lose). If they do that, the coach and the QB earn another week. If they're 3-5 at the turn, then Woody (and the rest of us) need to wake up from the fantasy of Favre taking us to the Super Bowl, figure out what happens next year when the coach and the QB are gone and we're left holding the team together, as we always are. Just got my very expensive Stadium PSL mailer (must've cost quite a bit), and I feel like somebody's selling me swampland (yes, I guess they are.) What is the future of this team? It's time to stop talking about how the STADIUM IS BEING CONSTRUCTION, AND ASK HOW THE TEAM IS BEING CONSTRUCTED. 4-4 AT THE TURN, HIT THE SNOOZE AND LET THE DREAM GO ANOTHER WEEK. 3-5 AT THE TURN, WAKE UP, PULL THE PLUG ON THE FAVRE FANTASY, (PROTECT THE 2ND ROUND PICK) AND FIGURE OUT IF WE HAVE OUR QB OF THE FUTURE IN CLEMENS OR RATLIFF.
TF...play the season out...a mess? We're 3 and fuckin 3... Jesus...if we go 3 and FIVE we should pull the plug on the season? Fire the coach? Bench the QB? I think this board needs like a...dose of reality or something.
It's the end of the world! The sky is falling!! The fabric that binds the realities of space and time is unraveling at a staggering pace!!! DOOOM!!! DOOOOM!!!!! :breakdance: Nice to see life is normal in Jetland.
Imagine we had a losing record? Some of these fans would be jumping off bridges. If the league has shown anything this year is that anyone could beat anyone else. When you turn the ball over 3 times on the road your going to lose. It's one bad game, life goes on.
I was just thinking to myself that we made it through a solid week without one of your posts. Then you come and lay this gem upon us....
Ah it is all so simple that I guess it is to hard to grasp. We are NOT going to win the SB. if you accept that as being correct then what those others are saying makes perfect sense that we go with youth to see what they will do for us in the future. It really makes no difference if you go 18-0 & do not win the SB or 4-12 & net5urally do not win the SB since the only reason the season is played is to win the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of FB not just attain say a 8-8 record.
To use an infamous Denny Green quote..."The Jets are who we thought they were!!". I mean seriously, anyone who thought that Favre made us an instant SB contender is either delusional or hasn't been a Jet fan very long. My biggest problem with the Jets is that I really don't understand what the Front Office was thinking in their approach to this offseason. I mean a team coming off a 4-12 season is typically not a "win now" type of team. So why did they think that by plugging a few holes with pricey Free Agents would make the Jets an instant contender?? The Jets are better than last year, sure. But by better I'm talking 8-8 or maybe 9-7 if they're lucky. Then what happens next year or the year after that? Where is the infusion of young talent? Where is the QB of the future?
Uh huh...the Giants '07 weren't going to win the Super Bowl...neither were those '01 Pats...the Panthers weren't even supposed to see the Super Bowl...Oakland's '02 offense was supposed to be unbeatable...the Jets weren't supposed to beat the Colts in '02... Anyone dumb enough to buy that we can't do w/e the fuck we end up doing should just stop calling themselves a Jets fan. I'd rather get rid of the garbage anyway.
We got a dose of reality last week...the Raiders did everything they could to give the game away with stupid penalty on top of idiotic penalty in the first half. The week before, we struggled to beat a winless Bengals team with a nobody at QB. The week before that, Favre and Mangini were magic. A beautifully mixed offense and on-time throws. I'm sure we'll see another of those performances again, hopefully this week. But it's inconsistent. It's possible they're still working out the details between them, coach and QB...it's possible, they can take it to another, more consistent level. So, I give them another 2 weeks to show that they can get this thing going in a more reliable direction. You're looking at the won-loss record and saying it's early. But it's only early if they catch traction soon, this week or next week, and start getting wins. At 3-5, they can only afford 2 more losses to achieve 10 wins and hope for a wildcard spot. So that would mean the Jets, the team that struggled to beat Chad Pennington, the Palmer-less 0-5 Bengals, and did not beat the miserable Raiders, or the equally pathetic Chiefs at home in this scenario, would find a way to win two of these games: Bills, Broncos, Titans, or Pats, and win all the rest of their supposed tomato can schedule: San Francisco, Seattle, Miami, St. Louis, Believe it or not, my friends call me a ridiculous optimist when it comes to the Jets chances. I always can see how they're going to make it to the Super Bowl. But not even I can imagine them losing the next two games, and still making the playoffs. And that's why we took the flyer to bring Favre in here, right? That's why we're delaying building a franchise QB to roll the dice on catching lightning in a bottle with Brett Favre. I understand that more time might benefit this relationship, but I believe, and all indications have been, that this is not the right mix. Favre is a go-go thrower, and Mangini is a risk manager. The season is finite. If things don't change by early November, one of them (Mangini) needs to change, or one them needs to go.
Uh huh...all it took for them to beat us was a record setting field goal late in overtime...at home...after giving up their lead in less than 2 minutes in the 4th...and I'm supposed to buy that as proof positive we're beaten...ROTFL. Yea...26-12 is quite the struggle. This is why this board is crazy...we lose by 3 points...on the other side of the country...after coming back in the fourth...the other team needed to set a record for longest FG in franchise history to pull out the win...but our season is done. Meanwhile...we beat a team by 2 touchdowns...so we struggled. Because it is. Um...we still beat the Dolphins...something neither the Pats or Chargers did...we beat the Bengals by two touchdowns...and we haven't even played the fuckin Chiefs yet... So you come to a Jets fan website to tell others that it's a mess but not really...you need two more weeks to make the proclamation you just made... Well lets try not to get caught up in hypotheticals...and whaddo you mean we're delaying building a franchise QB? Haven't franchise QB's sat behind a veteran before? Didn't Carson Palmer do that with Kitna? Rogers with Favre? Hasselbeck with Favre? Brunell with Favre? Why are we labeling anybody? Isn't every coach conservative when they lose? They certainly lack the balls of us fans...many of us who seem to know Mangini well enough to tell us just about everything wrong with him... I'm sorry...is Favre too good to change or adjust? The INTs and general hesitation is fine because it's the coaching staffs fault for not knowing how to use a great player? Despite the whole...39, just came out of retirement, and playing for a new team after like 18 years with another one...it's Mangini thats not keeping up with Favre...
Another two weeks? Are you crazy, Fire Mangini, Tanny, Shotty, Sutton and Dr. Elliot Hershman now and play Ratliff!!! Favre sucks anyway, Ratliff will take us to the SB. Yeah, Ratliff!!!
What needs to be done is the youngins running this team need to learn how to adjust and not stick to the gameplan they think thats going to work before the game is played.... stop being stubborn children and change shit up when it needs to be done... throttle down the ego.
If we lose both of the next 2 we could bench favre, but we won't do that. It has been stated over and over again that this team is going to keep improving. Until there is mathematically no possibility of making the playoffs, Favre will play. Even if we were looking at 1-7 and there is a 99% chance we won't make it. There is still the 1% chance we will, and we should and would play Favre. There are only 2 real scenarios where we give up the 4th round pick and not the 3rd: 1. We go 0-8 (already not going to happen) 2. Favre gets hurt in the first 8 games (Seems unlikely given his iron man status) We can't get cute and bench Favre in either of the next two games. So he is playing 8 games. Its based on snaps not games. He may have already taken 50% of the snaps, let alone 2 games from now. Playing Klemens is not investing in our future. Klemens is a backup QB and that is all he will ever be. Ratlif or Ainge might be the next guy, but they are not ready to take that role.
Why the fuck do you bench Favre?? You pay him the salary, and he is the iconic QB of this generation of football and because he isn't winning you bench him? You're all fucking retarded. I will bet you everything I own that Mangini gets fired before a legend is sat on the bench.... I can't believe the word bench is being used.... football fans suck.
Favre was great. It would've been great to have drafted in 91 when he had his whole career ahead of him or in 96 when he was at his prime, but now, he's an inconsistent QB. Last year, with a better team around him, he was good enough. This year, a year older, he's not been good enough. I'm not rooting against him. Hell, I drafted him in my FFL, I start him every week...I'm invested on every level hoping he's going to succeed. It's not happening, and to my eyes, it's not going to happen. Don't be mad at me, be mad at Favre, he's the one not getting the job done. But IT IS NOT ALL HIS FAULT. As I said when the trade occurred, it's Boomer Esiason all over again. A great NFL quarterback, 10 years past his prime, on a flawed team and flawed coaching staff incapable of covering his age spots. A very exciting 8-8 is what I foresaw, lots of great stats and highlights, but a .500 record...which to me, was UNACCEPTABLE based on the fact that it was the coach's 3rd year, they had been a playoff team two years before, they'd spent a ton of money, and this is the NFL where you can go worst to first surprisingly fast. All this back and forth is ridiculous...it's really very simple...if you're really happy to accept a .500, non-playoff season with Brett Favre, then congratulations--you get the team you deserve. I'm done settling for mediocrity and I'm done accepting half-assed plans for building a team. It's time to lay a solid foundation for the future instead of chasing pipedreams and old guys who were somebody elses MVPs.
I think some here forget that Woody knew he was going to have to sell PSL's this year. For those wondering why the Jets did not take the rebuilding approach... I don't want to sound too negative, though. Bringing Favre here allowed the team to unload Pennington, a move it had to make for the future, long, medium and short term. That being the case, it was all upside with Favre after that. Having said that, this year was also something else - an opportunity to see how flexible the CS could be dealing with a different and at least somewhat more talented mix of players. So far, the CS has shown very little in that regard. This is... troubling. I have trouble thinking of a single aspect of the season so far that inspires confidence in them.
