Maybe they just need to learn how to play with a lead or play for 60 minutes. Did you not watch the first half? It was 34-0 and the D looked fantastic.
The D made a lot of lot plays but what I also saw was 3 man rushes actually making it through Arizona's o-line... which is a huge indictment of Arizona's o-line. I will give them though that when they actually did blitz it worked well, like when Pace hit Warner from behind... I just wish they'd do that more.
We 5th from the bottom of the league in stopping the other side from making 1st downs on 3rd down. If we expect to go anywhere this year that part of the D must be greatly improved
In 3rd quarter? I don't think so. It's not that Warner became all of a sudden a godly QB; if you look closely during those safety blitz through the middle, you'll easily notice that the pocket doesn't even collapse. That's right; It's the absence of Jenkins that made Warner look like a second coming of his old self.
That's been done; keep Jenkins fresh, and all problem solved. (Or find someone who can spell him without losing the productivity. I know it's very, VERY hard.)
Jenkins not being in for a good portion of the 3rd quarter didn't help. We definitely sent more pass rushers in that quarter than any other though.
I agree, this game could be dangerous. I was hoping that the buy week would allow for us to game plan two games ahead, get the players ready, and then just make final adjustments after the Bengals game. I believe it will be the first game at home for the Raiders under a new coach and the players will be pumped up to show the fans that they are better than the record indicates and will not loose another one after leading for 3 quarters. Oakland run defense is tought. We will need a strong running game to slow the rush defense up and allow Brett to light it up. Our D will need to stop the run and force them to throw more, an area they are still not that prolific. Above all, our D needs to be more aggressive in the second half, rush more than 2 and blitz if the Raiders are behind but more than a TD. We need to play aggressively and embarass them early and bury them. They are not going to loose many more games when they are ahead at the end of the third quarter. They will for sure correct that.
It's not the number of pass rushers that matters. It's the quality of pressure that matters. As it stands now... without Jenkins in the box, our pressure drops off dramatically - Warner steps up in the pocket and fires his passes off without breaking a sweat.
I'm in complete agreement with you. To say we weren't aggressive in the 3rd quarter in relation to the first two quarters is incorrect though.
Frankly, this is exactly why I mentioned the fire zone the other day. As it stands, Jets D can't get by with conventional schemes when Jenkins is out of the game. Pressure from the edge means nothing if the middle of the pocket is intact - the QB simply steps up, and buy a little more time to find his target. Thus, logic dictates that, once conventional methods do not work, you must resort to trickery. First, I don't mean to say fire zone is an unsound trickery-based scheme - it is not. It's theoretically very sound, and if used properly, it can neutralize even the very best of the offense NFL has to offer. What I mean by "trickery" is that, the D should employ the element of unexpectedness - that way the QB won't know what to expect from the looks he gets. Once the QB figures out what the D is up to, whether his play succeeds or not, the defensive play is busted. This should not happen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To cut all the long crap off and make it short: learn to use the schemes to "disguise" the weakness the D has.
This is a huge problem and was last year too. Can you get a stat for 3rd and long? I think there is one for 3rd and 5 or more. We know they're passing, and yet we still can't stop them for about 2 years? We must be giving our opponents a read and we don't know it. Fresh eyes need to be applied to this problem, in my opinion. I have little faith that the same brain-trust can all of a sudden figure out how to reduce this probability. If my memory serves, at least 80% of these conversions are underneath patterns whereby the receiver runs for the 1st down after catch. How do other teams combat this? They should review best practices and adopt them for the team. That is, who is #1 at stopping 3rd and long, or who is #1 at stopping these underneath patterns? Then, adopt their practice to some degree.
A little off topic but a bye week post from last year still makes me laugh. "The Jets are 3 point underdogs to the bye week".
Yes this problem is a reflection directly on the CS. Either we lack personnel to correct this problem or we have coaches who do not know how to solve the problem
Mangini knows how to re-up a gameplan for the rest of the season and he usually gets it toegether after the Bye. Especially with the Defense.
We will be fine! Did I tell you how we'd win last week? Rush the passer up-the-gut! You said it couldn't be done. We did it! This is going to be a very good Defense! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- October 4, 2008, 4:37 am Football Scientist: Bright Spots for Jets’ Defense By KC Joyner Tags: Jets The Football Scientist, KC Joyner contributes weekly to The Fifth Down. His latest book is “Blindsided: Why the Left Tackle is Overrated and Other Contrarian Football Thoughts.” It is perfectly understandable that most of the coverage about the Jets does not revolve around the defense. They are 24th in the league in yards allowed per game, 28th in points per game and 30th in passing yards per game. Giving up 64 points in the past two games also doesn’t help their cause. After doing the tape/metric reviews of their first four contests, I can tell you that the overall stats don’t tell the entire story. This defense has more than a few high spots. The first is Kris Jenkins. Jenkins has allowed only 47 yards on eighteen runs at his point of attack (POA). The 2.6 YPA that equates to is impressive, but so are the five blocks that Jenkins defeated at the point of attack. That means Jenkins is beating blocks at a 27.8% clip. To put this percentage into perspective, consider that it compares quite favorably to the 2007 defeated block percentages of Pro Bowlers Kevin Williams (29.2%) and Albert Haynesworth (28.8%). Calvin Pace is another player performing at a top level against the run. Pace has given up 56 yards on 19 POA runs (2.9 YPA) and has a 21.1% POA win percentage. Darrelle Revis could also be added to this list. He’s had 18 passes thrown at him this season and 11 of those have fallen incomplete, which equates to a 61.1% incompletion rate. A fifty percent showing in this metric is quite good, and Revis has topped that mark by more than ten percentage points. Revis has given up only 86 yards on completions/penalties, so he is giving up 4.8 YPA. Anything under six yards per attempt at the end of a season will put a cornerback at or near the top in the league, and Revis is more than a yard lower than that. Last but certainly not least, the Jets’ defense as a whole deserves credit for the number of bad decisions it is forcing other offenses to make. The bad-decision metric measures how often a quarterback does something ill-advised with the ball, leading to either a turnover or a near turnover. Opposing quarterbacks are making these mistakes on 4.7% of the passes thrown against the Jets, which is the third-highest percentage in the league. Some of that is probably due to quarterbacks they have faced (Chad Pennington and Philip Rivers both have high bad decision percentage histories), but it still bodes well that this defense was able to force them to make mistakes.
Can't burn up the starters in pre-season. Enough hitting in the regular season and coaches need a chance to evaluat role players and 2d teamers.
