this was a reminder of my general opinion of alot of posters here. but to be specific in the original post. 1.theres nothing realistic about proclaiming the packers geniuses and claiming rodgers is a proven commodity after two games against the falcons and lions. and itsnot jet related. moreso a prelude to try to make his next two statements seem logical. 2.brett favre overrated? do we even need to discuss this one? 3.brett favres drive? he looked happy winning week 1 to me. nobody looks happy losing. especially if they disagree with the playcalling and do the right thing by being diplomatic about it to the press. 4.agreed, we are definitely better, and arent a super bowl shoe in. makes sense. 5.i agree chemistry is being underrated around here but the coaching is starting to worry me not the talent level ill get to that on the last one. 6. seriously? seriously? way too early for any of that talk. not even touching that theres a million threads for this. 7.as late as they did? they had no idea hed be available. yeah him coming in late relates to chemistry and timing but its not a conscious decision the organization made. 8. completely sucks. one thing every fan can agree upon. 9. conservative, bad. debate all we want. the coaching is now in question. nobody should be calling for jobs yet but the microscope should be zoomed in.
Oh...and as far as Coles and his chemistry...heres my message for that football player who is walking around like his mother just died. GO f yourself. Grow the f UP. Its football and guess what..you arent playing for free..and we dont have time for you to stop being a baby. Chemistry...do me a favor...take the word and stick for all those that like to throw it around. For him to develop CHEMISTRY with Favre..he would need my 9 year old son to throw out patterns to him..and then we would bring in a 13 year old..and then a 17 year old..and then a college qb..and then a real man for him to adjust to the throws. Please...chemistry...its not chemistry..its a man acting like a child..the same man that left his lover 4 years ago to go to Washington and have sex with some other qb.
LTJF, I know you hated this move all along so it is easy to see where you are coming from. People simply did expect a lot, and given the moves and things the team did in the off-season that is not beyond being rational. We should expect a lot of this team. What we should not do is expect it out of the gate this year. It is going to take a little more time for Favre to get fully into the swing of things. The CS has to get used to Favre as well. As do his teammates. I agree that there is some warranted apprehension over whether Favre is in this for the long haul. There is a good chance he plays this year and just says to hell with it. That is a chance we took when we signed him. I can't see how that puts us any farther behind in the QB department though. We were still going to be shopping for one in another year. Favre is simply a temporary upgrade.
When does the "lose the rest of our games and draft Tebow" talk start for you Pennington fan and Favre haters? Week 4? This is why I stopped posting here. Ridiculous points, the Pats lost 1 game last year....1 Brady this, Brady that, Team sport fellas.
Since I was sleeping on the West Coast when all the replies came I'll post my response here, as this is a pleasant rational post. :wink: 1. Many people missed the point of my post. It was not to knock anybody; it was to state what to me is obvious. The Jets are playing about how a rational person would expect them to play. They brought in an old QB, late in the preseason, and what many of us were concerned about, that is, new playbook, no time to develop checmistry, has happened. That's not good or bad, but the way it is and the way people should have expected. 2. Favre is overrated. People put him in the class of great QBs and I don't. He won one Super Bowl. Lots of QBs have won one Super Bowl. How anyone watching him play the first two weeks can think he's the Jets savior is amazing. He's had a great career, and he's been a very good QB. I just don't think he's a great QB. He throws way too many bad passes to be in that category. 3. Yes, it's only Week 2. But in Week 1 the Jets beat a Dolphins team that was destroyed by the powerhouse Arizona Cardinals. Then they didn't have a chance against the Bradyless Patriots. Sorry, but this is simply not the sign of a great team, or even a very good one. 4. I didn't like the Gholston pick when it was made and I don't like it now. Dewayne Robertson also played well in college, but not as well as he displayed at the combine. Same thing with Gholston. I'm sorry, but if you're a #6 pick in the draft and you're not a QB, you should be on the field a signficant amount of time, whether you're learning a new position or not. That's just an excuse. 5. Favre, whether an upgrade or not, clearly sets the Jets back as far as future QBs go. When he retires at the end of the year the team will have Clemens and Ratliff. Clemens is not the answer. Ratliff looked great in preseason and workouts so maybe they have something there. But we won't know for at least another year or two. 6. Yes Favre was an upgrade at QB. But the only way the trade made sense is if the team had a legitimate shot at a title. If he was the piece that was going to put you over the top go for it. Clearly that's not the case. 7. I never said the Jets would be better off with Pennington. What I said was that if the Jets still had Pennington and he did the things Favre did in his first two games everyone would be calling him old noodle arm and a pussy. But Favre is immune to all the criticism. As far a Brett giving it up a yard short of the first down I've seen Chad go for it on several occassions and not get hurt. I have been consistent with my views all along. I could have waited until the end of the season and either shut up or had the chance to say "I told you so." But I'm going out on a limb now, and expressing what is obvious. The Jets are playing about the way a rational person would expect.
Yeah, as if having Pennington in there wasn't setting the Jet back. Ratliff looks promising, but he is very inexperienced. What's wrong with him learning behind one of the best QB's ever to play the game. I didn't agree with anything you said, but I'm just trying to focus on what you are saying about Bret Favre. It's just very ridiculous. Bringing in Bret Favre immediately made us a contender, and now it's the coaching staff's job to make it work. And I believe they will. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be calling Pennington a noodle armed QB if he had thrown those long TD passes that Brett threw. Pennington had never done that in his life, and Bret is doing it at the age of 36.
I think your missing the point of the trade though LTJF. You just admitted that he was an upgrade. End of story. Thats what MOST rational Jet fans saw it as. Would we be killing Pennington if he had the same games Favre had? Of course we would. Because thats what most of us saw out of Chad the past 3 years...10 points...6 points...13 points. Nobody would have come down hard on you if you waited until lets say...week 8. We all know where you stand. My problem with your post is that, to me, you spent half your points ripping a qb who has been here less then a month and the rest of your points are all obvious. Yes, we are unhappy with Gholston as of today..yes...Pace was a good signing as was Jenkins. I just didnt take your post the way you claimed it to be...overall analysis of the season after ummm...2 weeks. I took as another attempt to take a swipe at the UPGRADE of a position. If it was an upgrade...and you agree its an upgrade...what the hell are we talking about here. Brady and Manning were not offered to us via trade and KC would not have been an upgrade. If I were you..and other Jet fans...I would be putting all my attention and anger towards a wide receiver who isnt "getting it" anymore called Coles. I see a bunch of guys busting their asses and a whiner who misses being tucked into bed by the same qb he left to go to washington. Other then that...I see progress and I look forward to playing the pats again when we are clicking on all cylinders..and we will beat them then...and thats a guarantee.
Not exactly what I have seen. I have seen a Coles who doesn't finish routes, looks hurt and is dropping balls. That's not chemistry that's unprofesional. Also getting down on the goal line and attacking the outright strength of the Pats D instead of its weakness has more to do with the ego of the coaching staff getting in the way of sound football. You also can't blame Favre for the absolutely horrendous special teams play in both games. No doubt he is over rated and over the hill. He still is better than 90% of the starting QB's in the NFL and is miles better than Chad who was benched in week 2. Way to early to tell. The Giants let up 80 points in two horrible losses in weeks 1 and 2 and turned out to be a pretty good football team last year. Yes and no. Agreed he looks like a major dissapointment so far. Who would you like to see him replace last week? Pace or Thomas? Both looked great. How so? Pennington is years younger and has proven he isn't the answer. This doesn't set us back 1 minute since neither back up was likely to start this year. Clearly? Week 2 there is no clearly in the entire NFL. Favre has a track record of being healthy and winning and doing things on a football field that Chad can only dream about. You may turn out to be right? That doesn't make your analysis after 2 weeks rational. As you pointed out the Jets are integrating several players. Chances are it will take a little time to gel if we do? If we can win our share of sloppy games early while everyone gets comfortable, we might just roll off 4, 5 or 6 wins in a row and be in the mix at the end. That's what good teams do.
Gholston still needs time to develop at the line backer position, and if he doesn't work out then there is still time to put him at defensive line before it can be determined if he is a bust. But with his contract he should be an impact player by the end of the year. I have to agree with the conservative play calling by magini is a problem, we need to see his first year again were he took a much weaker team than we have now and coached them to 10 and 6.
I hope you are right. Mangini's head is on the line this year for sure. If these Jets do not produce, and by that I mean 9-7 is just barely acceptable; anything less than that and I think we will be looking for a new coach. I really hope that does not happen becasue I happen to like Mangini and I would like to continue with him as the coach. Some coaching tenure would be kind of welcomed around here if you look at how many coaches we have gone through in just the last 15 years.
Let's review Missed FG is unexceptable no excuse in my book but it takes 3 points off the board They should have scored 7 instead of 3 when they had the ball 1st and goal at the 3 Terrible PI call directly results in Favre throwing an INT and gives the Pats a TD (OBTW a missed holding call on the Faulk screen.) This game was only a few plays away from being 17-12 Jets. You are aware of that right? I honestly belive that if the officials don't screw up the PI call on Cotch you can add on 7 more points for the Jets so actually it was a few plays away from being 24-12 Jets. The team knows it and the coaches know it and even Chicken knows it. Yes they didn't take advantage of a great oppurtunity but I honestly believe they'll beat the Pats in Foxboro.
LLJF.. I'm never going to get this time I just spent reading through this thread back. I hate you for this. That is all.
OP, why didn't you just save yourself a lot of typing and just say "Favre sucks." Because your list of things is pretty much "everything else is good, is better, but Favre." Oh yeah, and the kicking game. IT's pretty hard for ANYONE to say that's good with a straight face. Funny thing is, where I see missed points and poor field position as the big decider in last weeks game (do you realize the Patsies got the ball back on the near side of the 50 on >>>four<<< punts?!?), for you it's #8, and warrants only a sentence -- and a pretty mild one. But EVERY one of your other eight issues -- excpet number 9, playcalling -- if there's something wrong with the Jets, his number is #4. Why don't you tell us who you REALLY feel, lol.
OK, I just briefly checked your posting history, LTJF. Is it safe to say that you never for one moment liked acquiring Favre, and furthermore that at the first suboptimal performance -- which every team has at some point, even the 18-1* Patriots -- that you were going to write something like this? So it was only a matter of time that you would write this. Well, hope it felt good getting it off your chest. Are you going to post new versions of this thread after each loss?
Hey I wasn't the one posting about how over the Patriots season was and how the Jets would just roll through the division. I said from the get go that the Brady injury evened the playing field and that the Patriot had alot of talent and wouldn't roll over. Where wass I wrong? It was you and the vast majority of Jet fans drinking the Kool Aid, talking about old defenses and weak O-lines. Hows it feel now? It's also funny how the modslet you run wild with name calling and personal attacks.
i really don't see where favre makes this team a automatic contender. too many other variables have to happen for that scenario.....
This thread was never intended as an "I told you so thread." Or as a "the Jets suck thread." The intent was not to rip the Jets after a loss. This thread was in response to all the negative threads written by other people regarding the "same old Jets." My point, which people still miss, is not any of the above. My point is that what you're seeing is what you should have expected to see. Nothing more, nothing less. You can make all the excuses in the world for it. But it is what it is.
