Thanks a lot Herm/Badway... idiots these are the guys we could have had instead: Roscoe Parrish Jonathan Babineaux Vincent Jackson Justin Tuck Kirk Morrison Darrent Williams (RIP, but still) Frank Gore Such a dumb move
When it comes to missed draft picks -- I think that applies to the first two (maybe three rounds). After that -- the draft is a crap shoot. The Pats didnt think anything of brady or they would not have let 200 or so players go buy before they took him.
Oh comeon, while I agree you never draft a kicker in round 2, I dont want to hear who they cold of had since the draft is a crap shoot.. Besides some that you named arent anything anyways
Right or a bunch of other busts... the Draft is a lottery sometimes... if we got a Vinetary we probably wouldn't have complained.
one the the MORTAL sins one can make on draft day is to pick a kicker/punter on day one...... i believe i posted that a few days after he was taken and i also said that the jets were not good enough to even entertain drafting a kicker instead of an impact position player. of course the crack staff of edwards and bradway couldn't figure that one out. hindsight is 20/10 but even if they drafted a bust player at that spot at least they wouldn't have committed the sin. jil
Right, the draft is a crapshoot, but you DONT TAKE A KICKER because you wanna be at least part of a crap shoot. Those are players that were all within the NEXT 17 picks AFTER Nugent, with the exception of Tuck, who was a little further down. Even if you wanna view the draft as a total random lottery, we would have at at least a pretty decent shot at getting one of those players. By drafting a kicker you take yourself out of that lottery. this is not the same as saying "oh we could have drafted tom brady" or whatever
We could have had Heath Miller there. That would have given us one of the best TE tandems in recent NFL history and both of them bruising blockers. And the reason you don't take kickers in the 2nd round is that you just don't need to. Hall of Fame kickers are all walk-ons and late round guys. It's not like Nugent was going to routinely drill 55 yarders because he was just that much better than all the other kickers available that year. You know why we took Nugent in the second round? Because Bradway didn't have a single year where he did not absurdly overpay in some way to fix what he thought was most wrong last year. He also didn't have a single year where he correctly identified the weaknesses most likely to emerge that season. What a terrible GM he was.
It was especially bad because we didn't have a first round pick to begin with. If we did he may have been our first rounder...imagine.
We did have a first rounder. They traded it right before the draft for Doug Jolley and a 2nd rounder. That's how they justified taking Nugent with the 2nd 2nd rounder, they had two so why not? Even a Madden GM, which is where Tannenbaum looks like he belongs, is smarter than that.
Nugent was taken with the first second rounder. Our first pick in the draft. Justin Miller with the second...haha.
In that case the deal was even worse because it was Jolley and Nugent for Heath Miller (effectively). I could have sworn it was Jolley and Justin Miller for the 26 though. That's what I remember it being and even Bradway wasn't stupid enough to drop three quarters of a round to pick up a hack like Jolley.
Here is every kicker taken in the last 10 years. Only the Raiders were stupid enough to draft one higher than the Jets. The median is round 6. And don't forget many K are UDFA so that the true estimate is probably lower: 1 Sebastian Janikowski - Oakland Raiders 2 Mike Nugent - New York Jets 3 Nate Kaeding - San Diego Chargers 3 Martin Gramatica - Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 Bill Gramatica - Arizona Cardinals 4 Jeff Chandler - San Francisco 49ers 4 Travis Dorsch - Cincinnati Bengals 4 Stephen Gostkowski - New England Patriots 5 Josh Scobee - Jacksonville Jaguars 5 Justin Medlock - Kansas City Chiefs 6 Neil Rackers - Cincinnati Bengals 6 Paul Edinger - Chicago Bears 6 Taylor Mehlhaff - New Orleans Saints 6 Nick Folk - Dallas Cowboys 6 Jeff Hall - Washington Redskins 6 Kurt Smith - San Diego Chargers 6 Mason Crosby - Green Bay Packers 6 Dave Rayner - Indianapolis Colts 7 Owen Pochman - New England Patriots 7 Josh Brown - Seattle Seahawks 7 Kris Brown - Pittsburgh Steelers 7 David Kimball - Indianapolis Colts 7 Brandon Coutu - Seattle Seahawks 7 Paul Ernster - Denver Broncos 7 Hayden Epstein - Jacksonville Jaguars
Our 2 biggest needs were CB and K. We got Justin Miller and Mike Nugent in that draft. We got what we needed. At that time, the pick made perfect sense. It's not the front office's fault that both of these guys are total incompetent. And for God's sake, Nugent was a captain in that Ohio State team. Why wouldn't you take him when you see what your divisional rivals win games after games with Adam Vinatieri. Nugents probably went boar hunting one too many times with Schiegel(sp). I am very disappointed in Nugent. He was supposed to be a corner stone in our special team for the next 10 years. BTW, Justin Tuck had a great junior year but had a little bit drop off in his senior campaign. Also, after a great 1st year by T. Willingham, Notredame played pretty bad in their 2nd year. That's why Tuck dropped all the way to 2nd round, otherwise he was a lock for 1st round. This is Tuck's 4th year in the league. Last year was the only year he made contributes, and boy did he ever. So, anyhow, Justin Tuck's slow progression gives me better hope for Gholston.
Nick Folk from Dallas was the NFC kicker in the Pro Bowl in 2008. He was a 2007 sixth rounder. Mason Crosby for Green Bay lead the NFL in total points with 141 his rookie season. He was also a 6th round draft choice in 2007.
That's ridiculous. That outlook had us totally doomed. You can ALWAYS use depth. and we needed more than CB. I believe that was the offseason that ferguson left us, as well as someone on the O line I can't remember. To say all we needed was a CB and a K so lets just grab a kicker in the 2nd round makes no sense. Kickers are really a dime a dozen. The great ones are of course infinitely valuable, but they come from random places also. Dont forget that Tuck was also sitting behind strahan, umenyora and then kiwanuka until last year
One bad pick does not ruin a franchise. Herm got us Rhodes Herm got us Cotch 4th pick we got for Herm = L. Washington So, that's not a bad deal. Rhodes, Cotch, Washington for an average Kicker in the 2nd... I'll take it.
