I think you've got it scoped. The kicking game and ST in general are just terrible. Graham, what happened to him? Those two shanked punts really killed us. And, I know its not cool to blame the refs, but that offiensive interference penalty against Cotchery was complete crap. That play stands then we win that game. I really think that. Mangina's play calling left much to be desired as well. We should have went for it on the 4th and two on the very first drive.
1. The Jets bite. 2. The Jets blow. 3. The Jets suck. The Jets are going to kill me. That's not a reason. It's a statement.
1. Poor planning on offense. 2. Poor execution on ST's. 3. No pass rush. 4. Piss Poor game philosphy. 5. Piss Poor coaching.
We had too many damned penalties to make it all the refs' fault. You got a point on Cotch, but the rest were inexcusable. With the Pats, if you don't get them to respect the run they will overrun you and you'll never get a pass off again. We have to establish the run, pure and simple. Also, you didn't see many receivers separating from the DBs on long routes. Even the long one to Cotch, Brett admitted he wasn't open that they were doing it to take a shot. The other thing that burned my ass was all the "dinking" and "dunking" that Jets fans complain about so much with their acidic vitriol -- this was exactly the passing that killed us over and over. Not long haul stuff, but short-ass passes that just barely made the 1st downs. It's murderous when our opponents do it, but when Chad did it he was a noodle armed traitor.
i have to agree, i have defended benny all the time but today i was disappointed in his length and hang time of his kicks. he has a booming leg so i dont know why we didnt see it...altho, punting from inside your own ten, you cant expect to get em downed in the 20!! lift benny, LIFT!!!!!
So basically you're saying after 2 games, we're right back to where we weer at the end of last season.
I was thinking that it was hard to tell the difference between Favre and Pennington for a lot of the game
i thought it was terribly deflating after not just the first but the first and second drive to only have 3 points. that should have been 14 points, ten at least. to come away with only 3 bothered me tremendously as the jets had pretty much dominated those 2 series pretty definitively.
let me not forget to mention that you CANNOT let kevin faulk beat you on screen plays. you have to be prepared for this situation, it has happened too many times to let it continue to happen. oh and i do concur with the special teams situation. absolutely terrible.
There are three obvious reasons, but I'd like to tweak what you said a little bit. http://www.jetsdaily.com/2008/09/random-musings-about-jets-19-10-loss-to.html Most games aren't this easy to dissect, but the Patriots are not your normal team. They play mistake-free football, and watch the other team beat themselves. In the 19-10 New England victory over the Jets, there are three obvious parts of the stat sheet that stand out. 1. Field position (well, special teams in general) 2. Penalties 3. An interception by Brett Favre Seven of nine possessions started at the 20-yard line, with the other two starting at the 23 and 25 yardlines. You can't score consistently with horrible field position. The total net yards was 260-256 in favor of New England. Both teams played good defense, but moved the ball on occasion. Jay Feely missed a pretty short field goal, taking three points off the board. Ben Graham was inconsistent, with two shanks. That helped New England start five possessions in Jets territory. Let me repeat that. New England started five drives in Jets territory. The Jets defense did a good job holding them to 19 points, though the underneath passing of Matt Cassel and the late game running by former Jet LaMont Jordan was frustrating to watch at times. Penalties were also a big deal, as it seemed every borderline call went in New England's favor. But that's what winning teams do, they find ways to stay on the right side of the NFL law. Six penalties for 60 yards for the Jets, including two 15-yard personal fouls put the Jets in a few difficult 3rd and longs, and Calvin Pace's roughing the passer for going helmet-to-helmet on Cassel as he tried to pull up helped allow Stephen Gostkowski to kick his fourth and game-sealing field goal. New England had two penalties for 10 yards. Finally, in a game against New England, there is one thing you simply cannot do: make mistakes. Mistakes can be penalties, as I showed above. Or they can be turnovers. And Brett Favre threw a duck to Brandon Meriweather which led to the Pats' lone touchdown by Sammy Morris (8 rushes, 0 yards, 1 TD. Fun statline).
Penalties killed the little bit of Offense Momentum we had. Way too many 3rd and long...Field Position Battle lost. Two poor punts and what did Ghostkowski eat in the offseason ? Run D slowed down in the 2nd half... This team looks still like growing together and building chemistry. We missed a big chance today, but we will see them back. Grogan will be all over this forum...
Impressive. Your post was really good but this was not the impressive part. I'm impressed because you were one of the very few that has been able to highlight the negatives of todays game, without emphasizing (like most) the "sky is falling, just crown the fucking Patriots after week two" mentaility. Impressive. Good post.
I'm as pissed as anyone that we lost the game, but I don't think we played as badly as everyone said. At some points, I questioned the playcalling, but I'm never going to agree with all the plays. I was disappointed with the lack of aggression, and I'll post that on my blog (and here) tomorrow probably, but that's not the reason we lost the game. We've closed the gap on New England. We're not all the way there yet, and I don't know if we will be ever this year, but I'm optimistic that the pieces we have can give the Pats a good fight in New England later this year.
I agree totally especially on the top 2 points. I haven't seen a replay at home of the Cotch call but it looked bad at the Stadium and it's amazing how Cotchery gets practically tackled before the ball gets to him in the 1st half and we don't see a flag yet he makes a great play where guys like Moss and Burresss make their livings and they throw the flag on him. That was an absolute game changer.
The kicking game advantage was off the charts sickening. When I first saw the Cotch play I didn't think it was interference, on replay the ref got it right, the defender had position and Cotch put his hands on him and he went down. In the NFL that's called on everyone. This game was pure coaching, switch staffs and we win. As much as that's an indictment of Mangini and our Coordinators, they are very young and the positive is the talent gap has closed significantly. One other thing, Lamont Jordan has more talent than any back we have had since Martin. He was a beast behind a good line yesterday.
Is there any question that if it was Moss or any opponent who did the same thing to one of our defenders it wouldn't have been called? That's my problem w/ it, refs rarely make that call there and at least if they had made the obvious PI call on the Pats defender in the 1st half I would have been ok w/ it but this miss the blatant PI call and call the close one. Lamont has proven to be nothing more than a change of pace guy. He came in and did a great job but our D was weraing out again having to carry this team. If he starts yesterday he doesn't have that type of success.
We will find out about Lamont. People were saying Moss was done after watching him play for the Raiders. He looked like he had a nice burst and was tough to take down. With a good OL and smart playcalling I would suspect he will be the main man for them. I agree Moss probably doesn't get that call but that's still a reasonable call. Cotch doesn't come close to getting that ball if the defender doesn't go down.
