We have been losing for various reasons with Chad at the helm over the last six years in close games. Him not being able to complete the hard throw and us having to constantly watch the lob to coles with time running out week end and week out or an interception to end the game. As much as I don't like Chad as a Qb I took no pleasure in seeing the game end the way it did. All im saying is we now have a Qb who has and can make a throw in that situation and we no longer have to rely on a prayer pass on 4th and goal from the 18.
Really! A scenario where the Jets somehow lose that game in ungodly fashion was at the front of 99% of Jets fans minds. I mean, did you see Favres face when they kept going to him? He was resigned to the fact that we were going to lose, and he's barely a Jet. He's got two shirts and one hat. I have a whole basement full of crap.
Except we scored on a floating TD prayer on 4th and 13 from our rocket-armed QB in this same game. Do you guys even watch the real games or do just read this board and play Madden all day? It comes down to more than the QB and how hard he can throw. Neither Favre's TD to Stuckey nor Chad's last throw had anything at all to do with arm strength.
Favres throw to Stuckey most certainly did have something to do with arm strength. The man was being ripped to the ground as he threw it and he was still able to get enough behind it to get it to the endzone for stuckey to make a play on it. Was it pretty? Hell no, but there is no way on gods green earth Penny makes that throw. Pennys throw was a wounded duck to the corner of the endzone and he wasn't being hit.
Pennington failed or Ginn allowed Revis to get position on him? Again, it's a team game. You're saying if Favre throws that same ball Ginn somehow magically leaps over Revis and catches it for a TD?
It was a shitty pass. Pennington even came out and so much as said it - he said as soon as he released it he just hoped that Ginn would knock it down. Yes, it's a team game. Chad gets the excuse every time - not his fault. At what point does his inability to execute under pressure when it matters become his fault? Never?
It was the same throw. Did you listen to the comments of each QB after the game? Favre said he threw it up blindly because it was 4th down and Stuckey made a great play. Chad said after he threw his he saw Revis get in front and was hoping Ginn would knock it down, which he got a penalty trying to do. That's football.
You're right - same throw, no difference between the two. edit: seriously - Favre was being ripped to the ground as he threw that pass man. Penny was standing in the pocket.
Again, if he couldn't execute how did they get from 20-7 down to our 18 yard line with a chance to win in the first place? People want to put everything on the QB, it's not always the case. If he had a shitty game and threw a few picks or had one run back at the end like last year you would have a case, but that's not what happened. Our guy made a play in the end zone, on Favre's pass our guy also made the play in the end zone.
That floater was the exception not the rule with Farve. What about the pass from Farve to Cotchery for the T/D? Chad can't make that throw. Chad having to throw that prayer had to do with arm strength. Chad completed 20-26 passes to Rb and Te's?
Favre is a great QB, the Cotchery play was a great throw, that's not the discussion here. Anyone who watched the game in its entirety and says Chad is why Miami lost either just has an ax to grind with him (still) or doesn't understand football. He is the only reason they got as close as they got, we needed our star CB to make a great play to save the game for us on the last play. You guys act like we were picking Chad off all day and running his passes back for TDs, that didn't happen. Both QBs played well, like veterans learning new teams. Favre threw a desperation prayer and got away with it, Chad did the same thing and Revis made a play. It had nothing to do with arm strength, that's simply ridiculous. If you've been watching the Jets, you've seen him throw that exact ball to Coles for TDs for years. You also saw him hit Coles for 57 yards last season, after the surgeries, but you still think a 28 yard (18 + the end zone) touch pass has to do with arm strength? I don't know what else to tell you then except watch the games.
Of course it's a team game and I thought the Jets were clearly the better team Sunday. I don't understand how you're using a game in which Penny failed to execute the two minute drill to win the game as an example of how he can do it. You don't get less of a loss for only losing by a few points. It's very simplistic on your part to just compare the two throws and say one team made the play and the other didn't. Favres duck pass was way earlier in the game. We went into the 4th quarter up two scores and called plays conservatively to protect that lead. If we hadn't scored that earlier TD prayer from Favre the offensive and defensive calls for the Jets would have been much different.
No kidding. The two passes were the same because in each case throwing the ball away for another down wasn't an option. Chad might have had time for another play but down six at the end of the game you have to put it where your guy can get it in the end zone. The stakes were different because of their time in the game, but the reason for that kind of throw was the same. If anything Chad at least had an intended WR who is his best WR. Favre just threw it up there because on 4th down you have to. I agree the Jets play calling gave Chad too many chances, but he still drove them down the field and got the first TD, so if you thought he had no chance to do it again you're kidding yourself. Again, if he couldn't move the team or got picked off and run back you'd have an argument that he's the reason they lost, but the way the game went, Chad is one of the last guys to blame. He didn't fail to execute, he drove them down the field three or four times. Our guy made a better play than his guy at the end, that's what decides games a lot of the time, not the QB's arm strength.
I'm not saying Penny is the reason they lost. The main reason we won IMO is that we were able to run the ball and stop the run, thus controlling the game. I'm saying that using this game as an example of how he can win the game in a two minute drill for your team doesn't make sense to me. Once he got in the red zone and our d-backs were all in coverage he couldn't get the job done. He threw two floaters right into coverage. The first one was dropped by Coleman and the second one Revis made a great play on to come down with. The previous drive where he did complete the TD was a great pass with pinpoint accuracy. He put it in the only spot he could to complete the TD. We also didn't have everyone in coverage on that play. I will also still argue that Pennys arm strength would have prevented him from making the throw favre did because he was being dragged to the ground while he threw it. And he did see Stuckey there - he's said that - i'll try and find the quote. He also said he didn't think he had a chance in hell of getting to the ball. My point is that he wasn't just throwing it up to anyone.
I.S. I actually thought that was one of Chads best games over the past 4 years. He had plenty of zip on the ball and several times I turned to my buddy and said "he never threw the ball like that the past couple seasons". With that said, those were not the same play. Favres was a 4th down pass with nothing to lose. Favre was being thrown to the ground. Was he lucky...of course! Penningtons was exactly what we were use to with him. When the field begins to shrink..and the coverage gets more bottled up because of the end zone...Pennington is at his worst. Im not going to kill Chad anymore....you just have to feel so much better having a qb that keeps the defense honest. Favre does that...Chad cant do that.
I'm pulling for Favre and I hope I'm wrong, but I stand by my assertion that in the end, the team's record will be the same as it would have been with Pennington (which I expect will be 11-5 with a playoff berth) because of the improvements to the line on both sides and the running game. We're just going to win the games differently.
I agree with most of what you said in this thread but just to get the ball high enough and to the end zone under those circumstances took a great deal of arm strength. Can't say enough about Stuckey for playing the ball and making it happen. I don't know how he does it but when he is going down Favre has completed so many passes through out the years. The classic was the underhanded flip against Minn. for a T.D. when he's parallel to the ground. Moss and Carter are watching from the sidelines just stunned; this one for the Jets makes the highlight reel as well.
Do you just watch individual plays from games and consider them in a vaccum separate from the rest of the game? Pennington was under a rush on that play and threw it up for grabs which if you actually consider the game situation was the RIGHT move. What did you want him to do on that play, throw it away out of bounds? If he throws it away out of bounds then what do you think they do on the next play which would be the last play of the game? The same exact thing, throw it up for grabs and hope someone comes down with it. Why not throw it up for grabs on 3rd down, which is what you would be doing on the next and final play as well? Hopefully, someone on your team comes down with it, and if not you do it on the next play again. Unfortunately for Chad, Revis picked it off my making a great play. If revis doesnt come down with it,then on 4th down,the last play of the game, the only thing Chad can do is the same exact thing,throw it up for grans and pray someone comes down with it
See my other post in this thread. If you werent actually blinded by your chad hatred, you would realize his decision to throw it up for grabs on 3rd down was the RIGHT move.
