Okay, I gotta just start ignoring your posts because even though you picked mine apart, you cannot seem to read what anyone has said. No one here is talking about the preseason but you. NOBODY. I am talking about what I've seen of the kid at OSU. And yes, I do think Phillips was worth the #6 pick if he was the guy for the Jets (and I do think he was). I would have preferred to have traded down to get him, but if not, I would have taken Phillips. Just to give you a glimpse at Vick's career, he's BEST year was a 20 TD, 13 INT year with like a 53% completion percentage. You're joking if you think he was a good NFL QB. I watch college football, and apparently you don't because everything you have mentioned is about the preseason. Like I said, I don't care about the preseason. I care about how players developed in college and where they're going to go from there. As for Gholston, I'm not even going to repeat everything I've said before (and no, none of it is based on the preseason, so stop replying with that same BS).
No, I get that. I just don't agree with it. You don't break the Ohio State record for sacks in 18 starts by being the player you guys describe. OK. And the Pats would have gladly taken Gholston. Complaining would ensue. No, I'm really not. You don't seem to realize sports, football especially, is more than just good/bad. Vick was a highly productive QB whose team completely fell apart when he wasn't playing for them. You...just totally went around every other point I made. - What have your 3 other choices done that Gholston hasn't? - What exactly did Ware, Merriman, and Wimbley do in college that made them look more versatile to you? - What makes you so sure Gholston won't move past what he was at OSU? Is it because no NFL player has ever looked different from the player they were in college?
We're not talking #'s with Gholston in college. I'm talking about how he didn't have to learn proper technique in college because he could overpower or outrun any offensive lineman. Why mess with what works? Now he's going up against players that can handle his athleticism in the NFL. I'm convinced he has the tools to succeed, but I still very much doubt it because he's done one thing for so long. It only works up to a certain level. Now he's got to get the technique down, and I'm worried that he won't, which is why I would have gone in a different direction at #6. I did not see much of Ware in college, but I saw plenty of Merriman and Wimbley. They to me didn't have the same raw athleticism that Gholston has. But what they did have was good technique and what I saw to be good versatility (as in, more than one move). I didn't see that with Gholston, and as I said, maybe that wasn't his fault in college because he did what worked. But because of that, he's never really properly prepared for playing against NFL players. I did not see Vick as a productive QB. I saw him as a flashy QB who didn't get the job done that was expected of him. I guess I'm just a glass half empty kinda guy. I'm not saying my other 3 picks have done anything more than what Gholston has done. No one has played a down in the NFL. Just call me skeptical that Gholston can make the switch. Can he learn it? Sure. You seem pretty set on him being able to. I just don't see it. I don't think he's going to be more than a situational pass rusher. There's not all that much basis for that other than what I've seen of him in college. I just don't see an instinctual player like the other picks I would have made at #6. That's what has me concerned with him the most. If that doesn't answer all of your questions, let me know and I'll be happy to add to this.
Nope, I get you. I'm going to agree with your self-assessment on the glass half empty thing. I agree that Gholston needs to be more fundamentally sound though. I mean, he's so strong that that bullrush crap does work quite a bit for him, but what's he going to do against Jason Peters and dirty ass Matt Light besides blitz from the other side? But in the end it all comes down to time, something you guys don't seem to be giving him despite the fact that you can't really take it away from him either.
No I hear ya...I just figure, talk on a message board ain't gonna hurt VG's chances of turning into a star haha. If he can learn new moves and become a more versatile player, he can excel in the NFL, and I mean excel. I just don't know if he's going to be able to do it. I look at him and images of Mike Mamula flood the brain haha.
well you can't say that you are 'right' as he is yet to show something. but on the other hand, other people who say he is a bust already are retarded... both of us are really hopign that you ARE right
Your original post implied that talking about the Jets is pointless. This response to my post implies the same thing. I do actually understand what you said. I do actually understand that I don't have a hotline to the Jets front office. Nice attitude you have there by the way! Welcome to the board!
What annoys me about fans and the media. Let's not be so quick to pronounce players busts and what not. Has he played well so far...no, no one is disputing that. As "Hard Knocks" has shown, sometimes it takes a while for the light to come on. In the Cowboys' case, Martez Bennett was getting yelled constantly by his position coach. Towards the end of camp, he turned it around. I think we, as fans, have to show some patience with Gholston. Too much Dwayne robertson-type negativity. Let's give the kid the year, and see what happens. I'm just so over this mentality to make judsgements based a MONTH of work. The kid fell behind because of prior committments. If you look around the league, I'm hearing very little buzz about any of the other 2008 draft picks.
Um...probably cause they're already busts themselves? Even the Almighty, Chris Long, isn't taking the world by storm despite being the most perfect player ever. Bizust. Darren McFadden? Darren McBUST ha ha. Matt Ryan? B-U-S-T. Jake Long? Holy crap what a bust. Week 1 should be interesting with our bust going up against the DolFAGS (I'm on fire here) ginormous bust. Don't worry though...theres always next year. Maybe our coaching staff won't be so stupid to take the guy with the biggest muscles in the room.
It's funny how Posters put words in your mouth. Not once did I ever say Gholston was a Bust. I have stated Ghoston is a great straight ahead pass rusher. Gholston can overpower and get by most O-Lineman one on one. People just hear negative talk about VG and think the author assumes Gholston is a piece of trash. I like VG and he would be great as 4-3 DE (needs to bulk up) lineman rushing the passer. My issue is that too many people are convinced VG is going to be a excellent OLB, which I don't see him having a bright future. Spending a Top pick for a project is risky, sure there is risk with any draft pick, but you raise the stakes when you change a player's position. I'm not basing this on just 4 pre-season games also.......which some of you guys need to realize. I really want Vernon to succeed, I hope I'm wrong, but at this moment .....I call it like I've seen it the past 3 years.
WW85, we've already done this. You're annoyed he's not lighting the world on fire right now. Despite the assertation that you're not basing this on the preseason, fact is you wrote a post asking the board if you were right right after the last preseason game. Logically, theres just nothing right about the existence of this thread. You're not right. You can't be right about a pick being the "wrong pick" before said pick has even taken his first real snap. Creating this thread basically created a discussion that went "why don't you wait" and you (and others) reply "yea but I've been saying he was a bad pick since BEFORE the preseason." As if that somehow makes it more...whatever you're lookikng for.
