... - "Leading by example" ... - "Leadership is earned" - Not given ... - Some people are "Born Leaders" ... - Some are able to "Become Leaders" ... - Some just are not "Cut to be or become Leaders" ... - I think No. 4 was "Born a leader" ... and the way he has handled himself through the years proves it ... - "Greatness" is always "Eye of the Beholder", but looking down the past years, even though much can be said about No. 4 - He makes plays happen ... Also I think every team member who has played with No. 4 will say the same thing ... Like him or not ... the man is a Leader ...
The only reason you guys even defend this Dickwad is because now he is a member of the team you support, so you feel compelled to do so. He's a complete and total Douche, I know at least 80% of you guys were sick and tired of hearing about him before he became a possibility in New York. We were all compelled to watch the train wreck, so much so to the point that ESPN once headlined "BRETT FAVRE TEXTS GM THOMPSON!" The guy has been retiring and unretireing for like 4 years, this season he told Managment he was done, and then strung them along until they practically begged him to announce it - he announces it and the a couple weeks later contact the Packers and says he wants back in. Cool, the Packers start making preperations for a Media day and announcement that they are bringing back Wrangler boy. They schedual the private jet to pick him up and the day before schedualed take off Brett calls them back and says "Sorry, my heart's not in it." I'm sure the Packers are thinking fine, we'll move on only for this little drama queen to bring it all back up. And then this Douche asks for an outright release with obvious intentions of going to the Vikings, what a slap in the face. I never liked the guy, and now that he plays for the Jets I can't stand to hear his name. Brett Favre makes me sick. I might even start a website.
That completely depends on what you want to believe. If you've followed the situation from the start you see that they've both made fools of themselves. The Packers orginization lost the greatest player they've ever had because in the end Favre forced it and much of Favre's true personality was revealed, and he ended up on a team he didn't really want to play for.
... - I was going to say, one of the "other reasons" I like NFL so much over "Our Soccer" here in Europe was because of the Fan-Culture ..., however, I see some of the "same tendencies" here, albeit they don't show themselves to be as "Extreme" as some "Soccer-Afficionados" ... - As I said in a previous post ... You may like the man (No. 4) or not, but when it comes down to it, he performs and make those around him perform aswell ... be that good or bad ... And P.S ... I'm not a "Jets Fan" perce ... I just like NFL ...
This all has been beaten to death at packers messageboards. I didn't expect to see any of this crap at a jets website. You seem obsessed on this issue. I am not. I'm not and never have been ready to burn my Favre jersey. I'm not looking to turn everything positive Brett ever did into a negative. That's whats been happening in GB messageboards. You accuse me of worshipping Favre yet you take issue with any criticism I have of GB management. Now who's worshipping who? Is GB management untouchable here? You seem to be a little butt hurt when they're criticized. I guess you approve of management's handling of this entire Favre saga. I am not. If your goal at this website is to try and "correct" everyone who speaks out against GB management then I'd have to say that is pathetic. It certainly seems that's one of your motives. I'm not here for any in depth GB talk. I'm here to follow the career of Favre. F*#K Ted Thompson. Now back to Jets football....
I tend to be disgusted with the media moreso than the athlete in situations like this. ESPN and others have been giving Brett way too much coverage for years now. Brett using a nothing dressing room is a good indication of this.
Favre can't win when it comes to office politics by Jason Whitlock "The next time we think to rip Terrell Owens, Manny Ramirez or any professional athlete for an act of selfishness and defiance, we should remind ourselves of what just happened to Brett Favre. He was overthrown in Green Bay because he tried to play nice, attempted to accommodate the very bosses who plotted his coup d'etat. In February and early March, when Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy pressured Favre for a retirement decision by pretending the Packers couldn't move forward without knowing Favre's 2008 status a month before the draft, four months before training camp and five months before kickoff, that's when Brett should've played the Favre-being-Favre card. "I'm Brett Favre. I've played quarterback in Green Bay for 16 years. I don't miss games. I'll announce my 2008 plans when I'm good and ready. I'll be in Mississippi hunting and fishing. Don't call me. I'll call you." Rather than a tearful, forced goodbye in March, long before the emotions of a heartbreaking loss to the Giants had subsided, Favre should've told Packers management that he'd earned the right to be incredibly selfish and do what's right for Brett. But coaches, with ample assistance from the media, specialize in brainwashing athletes that they should always do what's best for the team while the organization never considers what's best for the athlete. So Brett, in a moment of weakness, bought the b.s. that the Packers couldn't win in September unless they knew what Brett was going to do in March. Yeah, Mike McCarthy's train left last winter and it can't slow down this summer to pick up Brett Favre, a three-time league MVP, the MVP runner-up last season. But Jon Gruden, Lovie Smith, Brad Childress and Eric Mangini were all willing to back up their trains to take on Brett Favre's baggage. The Jets plan on letting Favre power their train deep into the playoffs this season. Someone is lying, and it's not Brett Favre, a man so media-friendly and naively transparent that he poured his heart out to Greta Van Susteren, Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Ed Werder, Wendi Nix and Oprah Winfrey. I'm joking about Oprah. But there's still time for him to sort this whole mess out on The Couch. If it happens, I hope I'm invited. I get the feeling Brett still hasn't put it together how Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy ran him out of the franchise and state he owned for nearly two decades. Thompson and McCarthy are superior at office politics. Following a 13-3 regular season and a run to the NFC Championship, they both quickly inked five-year contract extensions and decided it was the perfect time to play hardball with an iconic quarterback who spent too much time campaigning for Randy Moss rather than pointing the spotlight toward Thompson's and McCarthy's brilliance. You've seen this on your job. It goes on in every workplace. New bosses come in and they look for their opportunity to diminish anything that happened before they arrived and champion their hires. Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005, and a year later while ignoring Favre's calls for Steve Mariucci, he hired McCarthy to lead the Packers. Thompson desperately wants Rodgers to be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. Thompson and McCarthy don't get credit for Brett Favre's success. And as long as Favre was in Green Bay, Thompson and McCarthy could never be viewed the way Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli or Bill Walsh and Eddie Debartolo are. Brett Favre is going down in history by himself. Mike Holmgren and Ron Wolf will get mentions at Favre's Hall of Fame induction. Thompson and McCarthy want to write their own history, and they want to do it now while the Packers have on paper "the best young roster in the league." So Aaron Rodgers can do no wrong in their eyes. His fragile body, weak resume and shoddy performance in a recent scrimmage can all be explained away. He's Thompson's first hire, the new employee with the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants. I know you've seen this on your job. Favre was completely outflanked politically inside Packers headquarters. Thompson has been laying the ground work for Favre's ouster for three years. Favre spends the offseason and every free moment bunkered in Mississippi away from the "office." Thompson, McCarthy and team president Mark Murphy see each other and talk constantly in Green Bay. They can form a circle of jerks at anytime and tell each other how great they are. They've talked so much they really believe they're better off without Brett Favre, and they think Rodgers, with the right help, can do what Favre did a season ago. Good luck with it. I hope it blows up in their faces. Favre was far from perfect. But he gave everything he could to the organization for 16 straight years. He lost a battle of office politics because he tried to play the game nicely. He should've called Manny Ramirez for some advice. Manny knows how to be Manny, and being Manny got him exactly what he wanted"
Look, if i misunderstood what you were saying, or mischaracterized your intent, I do apologize. I know I'm getting overly sensitive about this. I don't want to make excuses, but from the moment I signed up here I've been getting slammed and called names by Favre fans every time I say anything the least bit critical about the guy or the least bit supportive about management. And some of the insults have been pretty personal. I guess it's made me more combative than I usually am, and it's made me guilty of something I always try not to do - lump everyone on the other side of the debate into the same category and react to all of them in the same manner. That's what you got caught in the middle of, and I am very sorry. I'll try to learn something from it. As for my goal here, it's not to defend TT. That just happens to be on the things I've responded to several times. But again, if so many people who dislike him so intensely feel free to criticize him whenever they want, and I chime in with a differing viewpoint a couple of times a week, why am I the one whose sole purpose seems to be to defend Thompson? Where's the criticism of the people who constantly bash and rip Thompson and McCarthy on a daily basis? I agree with you, that's not what this board should be about. I get sick and tired myself of logging on to read about Favre and the Jets, and seeing post after post about what morons TT and M3 are. As you say, that shit belongs on Packer boards, not here. But if so many people are talking about it here, I guess it must be an appropriate topic, so I'm going to feel free to respond to it every now and then when i see something worth responding to.
This is how your comment kinda looks on our side: The only reason you guys now like this dickwad Pennington is because now he is a member of the team you support, so you feel compelled to do so. He's a complete douchebag and a total noodle-arm, I know at least 80% of you guys who were happy to hear he was injured or struggling before he joined the gay community in Miami. You-well, not you personally-but I'm sure 90%+ of Dolphins fans would be doing the same if Favre had gone to Miami. Speaking of which...how does the Pennington semen taste down there in Miami? I hear beat writers are claiming him the savior of this season.
Look WT, let's put everything else aside and just focus on the fact that you are even posting the names Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers here. No one is really attacking WHAT you are saying. You keep imagining that they are, but they're not. They are just saying it doesn't belong here, period, whatever your opinion one way or another. It has nothing to do with the Jets. If you posted the exact opposite sentiments of what you did, it would still be true. Can you see the difference? I'm sorry I can't make it any clearer, I don't know what else to try.
Thanks for the clarification. And for the record, I don't think TT and MM are idiots in general but on this particular topic they just might be. Both have done a very good job overall in GB so I am by no means calling for their heads. I just happen to believe that they leaked certain half truths and purposely avoided public comment on many issues as part of a PR war against Brett. Ari Fleischer wasn't hired solely to help TT with his farewell speech after trading Brett. Just my opion on that matter.... I realize many might not agree with it.
First off your wrong the Packers didn't want him that was the problem. The Jets were to stupid to draft Marino you got him. The Jets were smart enough to upgrade Pennington by grabbing Favre and you got Pennington. The fish are one for 2 in Jets rejects.
I actually like WT's posts. He provides some good insight into what to expect from Brett Favre. However (at least to me) it seems like the only times you want to chime in and share your insight of Brett Favre, it comes off more as being negative than positive. At least more often times than not. But that's just my observations and opinion. I gotta say tho, one of your comments you said earlier. You said you'd rather go with a QB whose playoff record is 0-0 than Brett's record? That doesn't make much sense to me. Peyton Manning's Playoff record is pretty shitty too, I'm sure if you had your choice, you'd still take Manning behind center than Rodgers. Not trying to turn this into a GB Message Board argument. I think MM and TT have a lot of talent on that team. It was one of favorites. I honestly wanted Green Bay to beat the Giants really badly. Nothing would've made last season better than watching The Immortal Brett Favre take down The Evil Patriots Empire and Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. By the way, getting approval by Long Time Jet Fan isn't necessarily a good thing. He completely hated the trade for Favre and has been on a quest to inform people of how much of a failure this is going to be for us.
I'm going to just cut & paste that article on Favre & Jennings I mentioned a couple posts back because I'm guessing without a link no one will go hunt for it, which would be a shame as it's an excellent article that DIRECTLY addresses -- confirming that Favre is not an approachable teammate or clear team leader -- what the other ESPN hack said, which after all was once upon a time the subject of this thread -- but while doing that, putting in context that's less critical, even a slight bit positive. It's so long it's gonna take two posts. It violates everything I know & believe about message board etiquette to do this, but with this bizarre 50 post rule for posting links, I am forced into it.
That article kinda portrays Jennings as an ultra sensitive wussy. Interesting stuff in there. I have gotten the impression over the last few years that Brett just hasn't been able to fit in with the younger players on the team. Obviously last year's success is proof that you don't have to have personal relationships with these guys to have team success, so I don't get why people feel it necessary to detract from Brett just because he doesn't go out to dinner with his teammates. Perhaps they could have reached out to him as well you know... Anyways, I can completely understand him being a bit tough to approach at first. He's there to win games, not make friends with guys just because they're on the same team. Greg proved to Brett that he's serious about succeeding in GB. That's the type of guy I'd prefer to make friends with. Brett's probably seen a lot of guys come through the doors that may have been nice guys but didn't put the necessary work in to be successful. Seems to me that Greg used the perceived barrier between he and Brett as motivation to work harder. I respect that about Greg. I also found myself questioning the writer's legitimacy right away after reading this line: Never has Favre shied away from passing to a guy, whether he fumbles a lot or drops passes. Ask James Jones about that one.
