This is like comparing the brains behind a great new company and the smart accountant who watches the nickels and dimes.
You are way off base with this post. In NY, unlike other cities, you can rebuild a football team and can afford to be patient. The Jets and Giants sell out every game and have waiting lists with thousands of names. If the team stinks, all tickets are still sold. The history of the Jets and Giants shows no problem developing young QBs. The Jets went from Namath to Todd to O'Brien to Nagel into the 90s. When they made Favre-like moves in the mid 90s and brought in over the hill QBs to be their saviors they got into trouble and went into the toilet - Esiason, O'Donnell. Then Parcells came and went with Foley. Testaverde fell in the Jets lap because Foley got hurt in 98. After that, Pennington was another young drafted developmental QB. Now the Jets have Clemens. The Giants had no problem drafting Simms and developing him and now have done the same with Manning. The Jets need to do the same thing. We all know Pennington is not the long-term answer. This is a young team and it needs a QB that will be hitting his stride in 2-4 years. Favre is the antithesis of that and that is why he is all wrong for the Jets. If Clemens isn't good enough (and it looks more like that every day, althouth it is still early this year) then maybe it is Ratliff or Ainge. If Favre comes here it is one to two years of QB development down the toilet, all for a puncher's chance?
Strange that the Favre sweepstakes is taking so long. You figure that Green Bay would probably accept a 2nd round pick for him. Am I right in saying that they asked for a 1st rounder. Hopefully the Jets don't fool around too much in the negotiations. I bet the deal will be made by Friday, if not tomorrow. I'm praying Favre is a Jet tomorrow! If he's not, I'll be cursing management soon
Boomer Esiason and Neil O'Donnell were not "over the hill," when the Jets got them. Maybe overrated, but not over the hill. Anyway, I'm glad Boomer - a fun to watch New York product - played for the Jets. And while O'Donnell didn't fare well with the team, you cannot fault the Jets for getting him, as he had just gotten to the Super Bowl. As well, the Jets, at the time, had a thing for U of Maryland QBs, which is no problem for me, because I'm an alum Todd was okay. O'Brien was obviously the wrong QB chosen in the draft. And Nagel turned out to be nothing. Favre is a Hall of Fame QB, who is coming off one of his best seasons. He is highly durable, and he is a team leader. The Jets cannot afford to pass up the chance to have him. He will bring wins to the team and a winning attitude to the team, and he will make the Jets fans believe that the Jets are worthy of winning. If Brett Favre is not a Jet, then it is the fault of Jets management for not making it happen. And that is a terrible fault.
How does Favre for 2 to 3 years set back Ainge or Ratliff more than Pennington being the starter? The Giants went all in with Eli and built their team around the QB position. The Jets have passed on QB after QB. If Pennington is the starter at his age their is less future for Clemens, Ainge or Ratliff than if Favre is brought in for 2years. Pennington isn't going out in a year or two, Favre is. You also can't compare the Giants having the sack to go all in for Eli and the Jets drafting development QB's while passing on franchise QB talent. The only franchise QB this team ever drafted was Namath.
The Giants moved from #4 (was it?) to #1 to get Eli, the Jets have never passed on the big QB when in that spot. When the Jets have drafted high there either has been no franchise QB in the draft or one was taken ahead of them. You can say Marino but most of the league passed on him too and the Jets were near the bottom of the draft. Yes, they took the wrong guy but so did 26 other teams and that was 25 years ago. I can't think of any "can't-miss" QBs in the past 20 years that we had the chance to draft and didn't. Passing on someone like Jay Cutler, who you maybe hoped would be good (and still isn't) is much different than having a shot at an Eli or Peyton Manning and not taking him. Even the year we had the #2 (Blair Thomas) and Jeff George was #1, history now tells us we'd have been just as fucked drafting George as we were with Thomas. I think the year we took Marvin Jones #4, Drew Bledsoe was #1 and Rick Mirer was #2--one was pretty good, the other was a washout. It's a huge crapshoot taking a QB that high, as much as people think they know, more of those guys turn out to be disasters than franchise QBs. Regarding anyone stunting the progress of Ainge or Ratliff for 2-3 years down the road, I think that's probably the last thing on management's mind right now. The question is, how much do you have to weaken what we have now to aquire Favre and given what we'd be left with, is it enough to make it worthwhile? That is assuming he even wants to play here, which he doesn't. Why you would want anyone who doesn't want to be here and has retirement front and center in his mind is beyond me, regardless of what he might have won 12 years ago.
Jay Cutler right now is far better than Chad or Clemens and is already a top 10 NFL QB with outright stud potential. We don't have to give up much to get Favre, a draft pick isn't that critical when you have a giant cavern at QB and what you think is a very competitive team. the Jets have passed on Cutler, Leinart, a potential trade up for Young and maybe a trade up this year, they also passed on Quinn. They liked Clemens, they don't have the balls to live and die with him. It was a calculated move and it looks bad right now although it's hard to tell because they are handeling him very poorly.
+1 Favre has missed how many games in his epochial career? "Since first being named the starter of the Green Bay Packers before playing the Pittsburgh Steelers on September 27, 1992 Brett Favre never missed a game. He is currently in first place for the most consecutive starts by a quarterback in the NFL and one of only five quarterbacks to have started over 100 consecutive games in NFL history."
WTMJ-TV Channel 4 in Milwaukee, citing two sources, reported that Packers president Mark Murphy at least floated the idea of paying Favre a package in the neighborhood of $20 million over 10 years to remain retired.
You just don't get it. You see, there are no negotiations. Favre doesn't want to play for the Jets. geesh
I found an interesting stat on another online forum. For all of this weak-armed talk we hear about Pennington he actually threw it farther in the air on average (per passing play) than Favre. Not including the last game of the season the average Pennington pass went 4.1 yards in the air (whether it was caught or not) and the average Favre pass went 3.8 yards in the air. Why the last game was not included I have no idea. By the way, Roethlisberger was tops at 5.2, Schaub 5.0, Manning, Brady, Romo had 4.9. Now I'm not saying the Pennington is better than Favre and Chad's arm is certainly one of the weaker (weakest) in the league. However, I thought these results were interesting to say the least. Pennington was actually 12th on the list. However, some QB's (like KC) weren't included. Another interesting stat was that 52% of Favre's 2007 yardage was YAC while Pennington's YAC was 38%. While no stat tells the whole story I thought this list was definitely different than I expected. Again I'm not saying that Pennington is better than Favre, I'm just saying that people's perspective aren't necessarily always accurate. If anybody wants to take a look at the article (definitely anti-Favre) and list it's at: http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/07/brett-favre-is-overrated.html
It's because the Packers ran a ton of screen passes. The Jets couldn't do that because their O-Line was so bad.
who cares? that stat is more meaningless than QB rating. he has a weak arm, he can't throw the ball into small windows - it's not debatable. the weak arm isn't even so important as not scoring points, that's what matters. how many td passes is the stat we should care about.
Originally Posted by johnny I found an interesting stat on another online forum. For all of this weak-armed talk we hear about Pennington he actually threw it farther in the air on average (per passing play) than Favre. Not including the last game of the season the average Pennington pass went 4.1 yards in the air (whether it was caught or not) and the average Favre pass went 3.8 yards in the air. Why the last game was not included I have no idea. By the way, Roethlisberger was tops at 5.2, Schaub 5.0, Manning, Brady, Romo had 4.9. Now I'm not saying the Pennington is better than Favre and Chad's arm is certainly one of the weaker (weakest) in the league. However, I thought these results were interesting to say the least. Pennington was actually 12th on the list. However, some QB's (like KC) weren't included. Another interesting stat was that 52% of Favre's 2007 yardage was YAC while Pennington's YAC was 38%. While no stat tells the whole story I thought this list was definitely different than I expected. Again I'm not saying that Pennington is better than Favre, I'm just saying that people's perspective aren't necessarily always accurate. If anybody wants to take a look at the article (definitely anti-Favre) and list it's at: http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008...overrated.html Again the stat is just that - a stat - nothing more, nothing less. It's a stat that indicates that while Pennington is a weak-armed QB, on average he throws the ball farther than most other QB's in the NFL (at least in 2007). It doesn't say he's better or worse than other QB's. I'm not saying he's the best option to start. I just thought it was interesting to post - as many people write off anything positive he does in the context of "all he does is throw short".
