Based on input from this board it appears that at least two organization's GMs and coaching staffs need to be fired, immediately. Favre is so great, yet the Packers don't want him back. And Pennington sucks so much, yet the Jets are prepared to go into the season with him and Clemens, statistically the worst QB in the NFL last year. It's amazing no one from this site has a front-line NFL job yet. :wink:
The fact that there is a competition going on tells us all we need to know about our QB situation. It sucks. What does it say about Penny if he has to compete for his starting job with the worst QB in the NFL last year? What does it say about Clemens if he has to compete with a broken down has been? Our QB situation is in the shitter and it sucks.
I agree with this for the most part. Believe me, I think the Jets need a new QB. While I don't think Pennington is as bad as many people seem to think, we all know he's not the type of QB that can carry a team on his back. I believe that's why the people who want Favre feel that way. He has, in the past, been that type of QB. I just don't think he can still be that for this team. That is where I disagree with a lot of people. As far as the QB competition goes see my comment in the Boland TC thread. :wink:
Great point. It's hilarious that Chad defenders will point out Clemens' statistical failure last year as proof Chad belongs on the team, yet Chad still has to fight to earn a spot ahead of him. Even better is that the excuse that Chad couldn't perform behind such a terrible line last year doesn't apply to Clemens. Personally, I am unconvinced in either of them, but I hold more hope for Clemens. Either way, we're still a better football team with Brett Favre than either of them.
I didnt get through all six pages of posts, but most seem to be about who's a better qb, brett or penny. truth (reality?) is that it probably dosen't mean much in terms of who the starting qb is going to be. assuming brett is available, he will be the starting qb for 3 simple reasons: cash cow cash cow cash cow. brett with an 8-8 season will generate $100M more in team revenue than penny ever could going 16-0. seat sales, merchandising, sports coverage & hype = HUGE money for the team, which, sadly, is the ultimate goal of owning a team. so ask yourselves 'which qb would sell more seats, shirts, advertising and hype'. and that is your stating qb. the end.
The difference is in Green Bay you can do what is right for a franchise and cut ties with a Guy who is one of the greatest Qb's of all time and take a step back to take two steps forward. In New York we have to keep the Likes of Chad around who should have been jettisoned years ago because the whinny media and fans would rather have a one and done playoff loss with no Sb in site as opposed to fixing the team right and maybe having to suck it up for a few years. Other fans and cities understand it takes time to build a team and in Ny we want it now. That has gotten us no championships in 40 years and people still don't get it. If the Pack can get rid of Brett Farve who is coming of a year where he made the Nfc Championship and became the all time T/D leader what are we even still talking about Chad for? The Pack knows it's time to prepare for the future but we would prefer to relive our sorry past! The mere fact that we can even have a post to compare Chad and Farve is beyond a joke. Why not start the who's better Randy Moss or Wallace Wright thread.
Out of the Frying Pan, into the Fire... Fourthandlong, today, it is being reported that Brett has absolutely refused to talk to any team the Packers have suggested a trade with. The closest the NYJs have gotten to Brett, apparently, is a five minute chat with Buzz Cook. Brett appears ready to force a release from the GBP. He wants to play on his own terms with the team that he chooses. This is not about money. This is about his perception of a fit and the championship opportunity. Apart from all the fantasies of Brett taking the NYJs to the promised land, it is necessary to face up to the fact that the NYJs have been rejected out of hand by Brett. He doesn't think he can fit in with our team, and he doesn't think he and the team can compete credibly for a victory in the Super Bowl. Apart from Fantasy Football or Madden type playing-card distinctions, it would seem that Brett's wholehearted spontaneous commitment would be a pre-requisite for throwing everything down and embracing Brett and his $12.8 million annual contract that expires in three (3) years. Why should we crawl up and grovel hat in hand in front of anybody who doesn't want to be in the same room with us? Answer: We shouldn't.
I think it is time for the NYJ to set an internal deadline, be it today or tomorrow and at that point make it public that the NYJs are not interested and move on. Obviously the FO was prepared to go into this season with CP and KC or they would have done something in the offseason.
I don't want Farve at all. But if Chad is going to start we might as well get Brett and have a punchers chance at a miracle. If we have no shot at the Sb it's time to go with the unproven talent. Clemens then Ainge if he fails. As per my previous post we will do what shuts up the cry babies and go for the 9-7 playoff loss behind door number 1.
How about the stat, what NFL can't throw a pass over 5 yards, no? Don't insult the Green Bay guy with this BS. It's not even a debate.
And there's the fatal flaw with that kind of thinking--individuals don't win Super Bowls, teams do. A WR pinning a crucial catch to his head, DLs chasing Brady out of his comfort zone, etc. To say one guy can't win this or that is nonsense.
I agree 100% that it takes a team to win a Sb but it is no accident that over the last 30 years the Majority of the Teams that have won the Sb have had Great Qb play for the most part. There are some exceptions but they are exceptions not the rule. All the plays you mentioned are crucial but Chad does not scramble out of that Tyree play and complete that throw if he was in that situation. At some point the General of an offense who is the Qb has to step up and make throws to win a game. I wish it was different for our sake but that is the nature of the game.
This is a classic example of how stats can be used to support stupidity. Can you imagine what Non Jet fans laugh at Us to see us even attempt to compare Penny to Farve? Namath can not even be mentioned in the same breath as Farve and he is the greatest Jet of all time. Im sure the Penny is better than Joe Willie stats will soon follow.
Namath can't be mentioned in the same breath as Favre? :rofl: I guess you never saw Namath play. And really, I'm not going to even try to explain the point of the initial post in this thread if you don't get it.
joe willie didn't play in the west coast offense and the rules were not set up to favor the offense. the qbs threw long frquently and had more picks, since the defense could touch the receivers all over the field and the man-to-man defenses were more prevalent. the qb who could have competed back then was marino, due to his quick release.:wink:
I love it when someone bashes peoples' input on a message board while posting their own equally trivial and inconsequential input on a message board. Especially while inquiring of those other peoples' opinions by starting the thread in question. It's a certain kind of hypocrisy. :wink:
Namath and Marino were the two most gifted QBs I've watch play. You can play what ifs, but Namath would have possibly been the greatest to ever play the game but for his injuries. He could do things other QBs simply cannot do. Marino's release was as good as Namath's but he wasn't the athlete Joe was. But injuries area a part of the game and, all things considered, the best QB I've ever seen play was Joe Montana, and I've seen them all back to Unitas days.
