ive played OG, OT, and NT on defense. as a d lineman holding goes on alot and its overlooked as long as ur inside their pads and its nothing noticable like on sleeves or you trying to fall and use momentum and shit. the ref 9 times out of 10 wont see it. and as an OL the only way to combat this is to be quicker off the snap lock on and get your extension ASAP so even if they reach for your jersey your already driving them somewhere they dont need to go. DL are allowed to do alot more its jus the way the games setup. the advantage is knowing the play beforehand and which way your likley going to try to move them. shit happens alot. i wouldnt stress.
This thread is truly absurd. From the NFL rulebook: Defensive holding or illegal use of hands No defensive player is allowed to hold or push an offensive receiver or back on a passing play past the initial five yard chuck-zone. The first five yards past the line of scrimmage, the defense may jam, hold up, the receiver to keep them from getting by, but after that a penalty is awarded to the offense. Special Notes: Automatic first down awarded to offense.
Sir, please place the Mangold hard-on on the ground and step away slowly. What point are you trying to make? Almost everyone on this site knows how good Mangold is, he's a tough dude and very strong for his size, and he's developing great technique... but Kris Jenkins is Football Godzilla. Like people have said many times, it's not uncommon for a defensive lineman to get a handful of jersey. Hell, sometimes it just makes it that much more enjoyable when you are manhandling someone just to grab their numbers and toss them to the ground like a little kid. Worry about it when it becomes an issue. This is week one of training camp.
If anything this practice is excellent for Mangold. No one can deny the jersey grabbing goes on in games, so Mangold now has the oppurtunity to practice against this before the regular season. Would everyone feel better if Mangold had a giant club (er I mean cast) on his arm to beat Jenkins with?
I'm sort of lost as to why a rule about jamming receivers at the line applies to us talking about DL and OL? Even so, its a lot easier to spot defensive holding outside by the WR, than it is to spot what's going on at the line.
Hey I 100% agree :beer: the rule you posted just read like it was only applying to jamming the receiver at the line of scrimmage. I think this is a waste of a thread as well.
I saw it a number of times last season, but the hold was blatant. I think they usually are when that call is made, and it's usually on a running play. D-linemen hold to disrupt the flow of the play.
I also think it has to do with the placement of the hands. If the hands are on the shoulder area, it is let go. But if they get inside towards the numbers, that is when they get caught. It is also why most OL wear tight jerseys with no sleeves. This quote I found: "Defensive linemen will try to grab anything. The more you wear, the more they can grab," Eagles guard-center Alonzo Ephraim says.
No, it goes to show that Jenkins knows what he's doing. Every d-lineman at the professional level will undoubtedly grab a handful of jersey/shoulderpad on almost every single play. It allows you to gain leverage and either turn the blocker or help pull him past you in a swim or rip move. This is basic shit really, taught to most high school players within the first week of practice...
It's not illegal for d-linemen to grab or pull on an o-linemans jersey unless he is preventing the o-lineman from pulling or moving somewhere else to block. They can pull the jersey all they want inside or outside the numbers in order to manipulate the o-lineman.
ya gotta learn the rules man... of course an OL can't hold like that... but a defender has different set of rules depending on the situation.
Thats not true, Offensive lineman do it all the time. The thing is they have to keep their hands inside so they don't get called for holding. Where they get called is when they're starting to get beat and they widen out their hands and hold onto something such as the outside of the shoulder pads.
you can take a 1000 pix during the season and see it almost every time. I like the agressiveness. I don't care what he does as long as he takes up the middle and get to the ball.
Its a matter of Advantage/Disadvantage. If one person has an extreme advantage over an opponent, then holding will be called. There is holding on every play, but only when it's an extreme case is the flag thrown.
He's controlling Mangold's playside shoulder which is a base technique for a two gap nose to avoid getting sealed off by Mangold..Nothing illegal and good technique looking at the photo. He is a House!!!
@coloradojet: Take a look at this Vid, and watch what D-Lineman do with their Hands. 2nd Half of the Vid is OL vs. DL. http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80997071
