Everyone says how great Favre is and how much Pennington sucks. Yes, I know statistics can lie and don't tell the whole story, but lets look at a few numbers. Lifetime Stats Chad Pennigton - 65.65% completion rate, 7.2 yards per attempt, 82 TDs, 55 Ints, 1.49 TDs/Int, 88.9 QB Rating. Brett Favre - 61.4% completion rate, 7.0 yards per attempt, 442 TDs, 288 Ints, 1.53 TDs/Int, 85.7 QB Rating Err, umm, hmm. If you were to just show me these numbers and ask me who is the better QB, well the choice would be obvious. Last Three Years During the last three years Pennington has thrown 29 TDs and 28 Ints. Favre has thrown 66 TDs and 62 Ints. Take away last year and Favre threw 38 TDs and 47 Ints in the previous two years. Now I ask you, who has had the better teams over the course of their career? Duh, that's not a tough one. Now I know Favre has the championships, but titles are won by teams, not individuals. I do not believe Favre would have fared nearly as well with the Jets last year as he did with the Packers. In fact, that's almost a given. The point is, the Jets don't need an old QB that's not going to give them to a Super Bowl win anymore than the guys currently on the roster. The Jets need to see what they have at QB; be it Pennigton, Clemens, Ainge, or whomever. If their franchise QB is not here now, get one next year. But really, the Chad sucks threads are old. And I'm not trying to say Chad is a great QB, or that Chad is even remotely as good as Favre has been throughout his career. I am saying, be careful for what you ask, you just might get it. Cheers
The over/under on this thread is 10 pages. Pennington is not as good as Favre, no one will agree with that ever. How about this for a stat- Games Started. Cheers.
Nor would I. But Favre is not as good as Montana either. Favre is old. The two years prior to last year, when you could compare the Packers to the Jets in terms of team quality, Favre sucked. Hence all the retirement talk. I thought I made it clear that I didn't think Chad was nearly as good as Favre, but I do think, at this stage of their careers, on the same team, Favre wouldn't be all that much better.
Thats why I'd love to draft a QB next year. We need new blood who can step in quickly while the players that are around the new QB are in their prime and can help him grow and mature. I'm willing to give Clemens the shot but if he can't do it, the FO needs to get a kid who can step in almost right away. The only way Favre would be better is if he has a duplication of last season. That is yet to be seen. If 2006 and 2007 are fluke years and 2008 can be reproduced, then yes Favre could take this team pretty far. Pennington could never put up what Favre did last year.
Favre will never put up numbers that Favre put up last year. At 39 (in October) do you really think 2006 and 2007 were a fluke? I keep coming back to this, but if Favre is perfect for a win now team, why is Green Bay upset that he came back and looking to trade him? They know him better than anyone. Buyer beware. Your first paragraph was exactly right, which means that Favre does the Jets no good for one or two years.
Favre had a bad 3-4 year stretch where he was throwing a lot of stupid prayers that resulted in a lot of interceptions. Those years make his career numbers a lot worse than before them. Now you want to just throw out the last season and keep the shitty ones. That's not fair and here's why. The new Packers coach worked with him to harness his skills, rely more on his team mates and make far fewer dumb mistakes. The results were a huge decrease in interceptions the first season (2006) and one of his best seasons ever last season. He's learned to play smarter and he's a better QB than he was when throwing all those picks. If you had actually watched him play the last few seasons instead of just looked up stats, you would KNOW that he is a completely different QB now. As for McCarthy not being around on his new team, I highly doubt he would get amnesia and forgot the things he learned over the past two years. He's playing with a different mentality - that has nothing to do with in game coaching or film study with coaches. Favre's peak performance level is leaps and bounds above Penningtons (post 2 shoulder surgery) peak performance level. Since 2002 Pennington has been nothing more than average. He also could not stay healthy if his life depended on it. You've already told us that the reason you don't want Favre is because you don't like him as a person. You said you'd rather lose with Pennington than win with Favre. There is no reason to sit here and try and say that Pennington is better than Favre - he does not even compare to him. Favre is an all-time great, first ballot hall of famer!!! WAKE UP!!! This is one of the most ridiculous threads I've ever seen. [youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=PVJXVJfY90s[/youtube]
Anybody remember the Boomer years? Former league MVP, big strong arm, 10 years past his prime? Like Esiason, Favre will give Jet fans and managment a very exciting 8-8 season with lots of long TDs before he gives games away in the 4th with stupid INTs. Favre is a selfish player and has been for years. He's a blast to watch, but only if he's playing for your Saturday morning flag football team. Pennington will take this team farther this year and Favre.
Esiason has nothing to do with Favre. Favre JUST completed one of the best seasons of his career last season. Where do you come up with the 8-8 prediction? Thanks nostradamus.
Brett Favre Will Not Not Not, Be A Jet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets Fuckin' Move On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So you think at 38 Favre, clearly not a very intelligent person, finally learned to become a smart QB? I find that dubious at best. I think 8-8 with Favre is much more realistic than reaching the Super Bowl. It amazes me how some people just gloss over the good comments of others. As JWWS stated, if Favre were that good, why aren't the Packers doing cartwheels over the fact he wants back?
ah..the voice of reason has spoken. if it was going to happen...it would've happened by now. Let's move on, guys.
Who the hell are you to say how intelligent he is? Last I checked most sucessful NFL QB's are pretty smart. Please enlighten us all as to why he's not an intelligent person. And yes, at 38 years old he learned how to play smarter. If you haven't watched him play, then how can you possibly question this? The fact is, he's played a lot smarter the last two years than the previous 3-4. That's a cold, hard fact man. If you believe Favre would make us 8-8 at best, then I understand why you wouldn't want him. You've already stated you don't want him because you don't like him though. That's really what is driving this. I disagree with the 8-8 and think he COULD make us a superbowl contender. Pennington, not so much. As for GB not wanting him back, I think they're insane. They did plan their entire off season around him not being around and drafted 2 QB's, so that has to be part of the reason why. They also have to find out what Rogers can do, that's another reason. I think the ego of their FO also comes into play here - they are rich, powerful guys and don't want to have one of their employees dictate what goes on.
Favre is "clearly" not an intelligent person? I've seen this repeated a few times since last week. Where exactly does this come from? The Favre haters are simply laughable at this point. Those who would rather "lose with Pennington than win with Favre" really need to sit down and evaluate their fandom. Do you root for Chad or for the Jets? Favre assures nothing if he comes here. Chad assures nothing if he starts. The one thing you can be absolutely certain of, is that one of them is bound for Canton, and it's not the guy with the higher QB rating.
My God have you been listening to the guy the past two weeks? If you have and you need more proof of how stupid he is, then I can't help you. Want more proof? Let's assume you are correct about Favre become a smarter QB last year. So lets see, it took him approximately 16 years to do so. Just brilliant I'd say. :rofl:
As far as intelligence goes see my post above. No QB assures anything, and for you to say the Jets can't win with Pennington when they have in the past isn't right either. Chad can do well with a good offensive line and suffers with a poor one; sounds like almost every other NFL QB.
The only difference is that chad doesn't provide a long ball threat at all, take that option away and the opposing secondary can play tight on the receivers, limiting offensive production. I don't mind Chad and would rather see him than Clemens who i see as just a turn over machine, but i can't see us winning with either Chad or KC.
I'll take the latter, by a longshot ...... and at least his Int's are usually downfield I wouldn't give much to get the old man on the verge of retirement, as 8-8 with Favre is probably a realistic scenario, but at least there is the potential for a much higher ceiling. We all know what we're going to get out of Pennington, and it's not 2002's performance... if he even makes it through the season. :shit:
I've read a few quotes, none of which struck me as stupid. Please provide some quotes or video clips if they are so plentiful as you claim. He had an outstanding career, then 3-4 poor years. I don't think it took him 16 years to figure out how to be a great QB. His new coach helped him play smarter than he had been. Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
Some stats from other Qb's after their first 8 games like Clemens! Give the Kid a Chance! comp-att-yards-TD-INT Clemens ? 117?224?1,414?4?9 Aikman ? 109?213?1,388?8?13 P.Manning ? 161?292?1,873?11?16 E.Manning ? 95?197?1,043?6?9 Bradshaw ? 65?158?972?3?15
