Mangini Brings Reporters in for a Chalk Talk

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  1. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    You need to have at least half a brain to decipher the play books.

    These were reporters that had them so I don't think they met the half a brain threshold.
     
  2. Section 227. Row 5

    Section 227. Row 5 Active Member

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    The playbook thing is definitely a little weird.

    The other thing that bothers me after reading it again is the "Shortening Of Camp Practices." Mangini apparently spoke to a "friend" (a player), who enlightened him as to the wisdom of not having grueling practices. Coles, are you at it again?

    I don't know about anybody else, but I sure as hell don't want to go back to the Marshmallow Practices Herm used to run. Two hours a day doesn't seem like a lot of time for all these new guys to get a feel for what takes place on the field in relation to the playbook.

    The last thing we need is to show up in Miami on Day One and look like the unprepared, out-of-shape, towel-waving, milk-toast klutzes Herm used to field on Day One.
     
  3. Section 227. Row 5

    Section 227. Row 5 Active Member

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    Well, perhaps it doesn't hurt to demonstrate to the press that you know your shit and you'd like them to know it too. In terms of that helping Baker-Jets relations, it can't hurt for the press to gain a little respect for the organization. I'm not sure that will prevent them from writing all kinds of ugly innuendo, rumors, childish insinuations and other ridiculous stuff on that.

    Herm used to kiss ass? Come on! "You play to win the game!"... that's all any beat reporter needs to know! (LOL)
     
  4. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    This is the crap that makes me think the Jets are not going anywhere. If you have an uncovered reciever at the line of scrimage, why fire quickly to him in the 2 to 5 yard range when the opportunity for a big play in space is open? This mentality of take what the D gives you is for pussies who will ultimately get taken out by good teams. If your not attacking in those situations, you aren't going to have a big time O.
     
  5. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Yep.
    If your uncovered at the line of scrimmage, the defense is behind you and they can see you. Which means you're not covered directly but they can get to you with ease, rather than throwing behind the Defense.
     
  6. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    No


    Filler
     
  7. Beamen

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    Except if it's a receiver, and he's uncovered at the line, chances are there are not enough CBs on the field to cover all the WRs. Therefore, man, zone or a combination, there WILL be a mismatch (S or LB on WR- in addition to at least one WR being in single coverage without S help) somewhere on the field.

    If you have confidence in your QB & OL & WRs, you run the play as planned, and try to find and exploit the mismatch.... That's called going for the kill, and it's what separates great offenses from ball-control offenses...

    If it's 3rd and 2 or 3, and you see a WR uncovered at the line, maybe you call a quick bubble screen or something at the line. But doing it automatically in all sorts of situations, as the Jets have done, shows a lack of faith in the personnel...

    I can't say I blame the coaches for not having a ton of confidence in our personnel, but it's still not something I like to see...
     
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  8. MarionBarber31

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    I really like this move by Mangini.

    It's got to be frustrating as hell to see sportswriters report on a game despite having relatively little understanding of it's complexities(compared to players and coaches...remember, beat writers were English majors, not athletes in school). And then what they write--from ignorence--has the power to drive public opinion, etc.

    If Mangini calls a reporter on it following a game, he looks defensive and more worried about public perception than winning games. But doing this right now, before starting camp avoids that.

    I think giving them this lesson creates a deepened respect for the players and coaches and the amazingly high level of "football intellect" and hard work goes into preparation and execution at this level.

    Ultimately I think this "education" helps reporters to analyze what they're seeing in games a bit more closely/critically and makes them less likely to write the oversimplified BS they usually print as to why the team was or wasn't successful in a particular play/game.
     
  9. Jetcane

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    So the little man with the huge ego and napolean complex brought in some reporters who he privately thinks are morons, and created a situation for himself to show off some football knowledge? BFD.
     
  10. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Hahahaha, it's good to know you can read minds. The irony is the 'little man' comment.
     
  11. Section 227. Row 5

    Section 227. Row 5 Active Member

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    Herm used to educate the press too. Good example: "You play to win the game."

    This is something they may not have already known.
     
  12. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Why's everything a negative conspiracy? Couldn't he just be pointing out what "smoke" is? Couldn't he just be using Chad as an example?

    It's not like we're the only team who runs this kind of stuff...

    Plus...the whole point of the quick throw like that is to get him the ball fast enough that he can work with the open space he's been given. You're underrating just how fast NFL defenses are...to think they'll miss that WR for long is ridiculous.
     
  13. flgreen

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    Got to disagree with you on this.

    If a WR is Uncovered at the LOS, the QB has to get the ball in his hands.

    Let your skill guys make a play. That's a QB's dream. Come to the LOS hit an Uncovered WR with a 1 yard pass and have him run 73 yards for a TD.. Most receivers once they can get a head of steam, are very difficult to catch.

    Being uncovered, the play should go for at least 12-15 yards. Could be a lot longer.

    If you get to cute, you often come up empty.
     
  14. flgreen

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    Got to disagree with you on this.

    If a WR is Uncovered at the LOS, the QB has to get the ball in his hands.

    Let your skill guys make a play. That's a QB's dream. Come to the LOS hit an Uncovered WR with a 1 yard pass and have him run 73 yards for a TD.. Most receivers once they can get a head of steam, are very difficult to catch.

    Being uncovered, the play should go for at least 12-15 yards. Could be a lot longer.

    If you get to cute, you often come up empty.
     
  15. redneckjet

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    gotta luv this! Mangenious shows just why he is the damn MAN!
     
  16. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    If Mangini really was smart, Pennington would have been shitcanned back in January.
     
  17. Beamen

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    As someone said earlier in the the thread, you're underestimating the speed and instincts of an NFL defense. A quick pop-pass or bubble screen is a 0-5 yard gain most of the time. It's an easy play to read, and, since it's not by design, there's no OL help out there, just a couple of stalk blocks to try to spring the receiver.

    Once in a while he may break one, yeah, but it's far from a 12-15 yard guarantee.


    However, a WR on a S, or especially a WR on a LB can turn into a very big play very fast. All you need is to get the guy the ball.


    For example, if you have twins on one side, and the defense covers the outside man, leaves the inside man uncovered, and has two deep safeties- the only adjustment that needs to be made is sending the outside man on a '9' route. That will GUARANTEE that either he or the inside man ends up in 1 on 1 coverage with the safety. If the defense rolls the safeties to that side, you still have a 1-on-1 with a safety somewhere, and the opposite side has NO safety help.

    Either way, you have a big edge.

    That's a great mismatch, and a big play opportunity.
     
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  18. Big Blocker

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    I agree with this. While occasionally what appears to be a mismatch at the line can be quickly exploited, unless it's a case where for some reason the entire secondary is in the wrong position, they will quickly read the play and someone will rotate to the ball. You may average five yards on a play like that.

    But if you give the wideout the chance to beat a defender who is not positioned to cover him, you can do much better.

    The problem for Pennington is, OF COURSE he will throw the dumpoff, because he can't get the ball down the field.

    I'm telling you the leadup to this season with this open question still in the air whether Chad might still be the starter is the most exasperating I can remember.
     
  19. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Very often that 1 yard pass is an 8 yard pass that looks a lot like a lateral and when it lacks velocity or is thrown a little behind a WR it can turn a close playoff game into a blowout for the opposition.
     
  20. Beamen

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    Ouch!
     

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