Mets at St. Louis, June 30-July 3

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  1. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    Sanchez continues to have ridiculously bad luck. Molina hits a shot off his knee and he is down.

    Edit: he's back up and walks off on his own power.
     
  2. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    mets with another chance to get back to .500 tomorrow! the excitement.

    castro should be the every day catcher until he breaks down.
     
  3. Penning10toColes

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    The bullpen today: 3 IP, only one baserunner. And Delgado was 3-3. Tomorrow should be interesting.
     
  4. Dr. Christian Troy

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    I'm already sold on moving Pedro into the bullpen and putting Armas in the rotation.
    I don't say this based on one game with Armas, I base it on every game with Pedro already. Hopefully he can shut me up tomorrow.
     
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    I really, really don't like the thought of Perez, Pelfrey, and Armas being our last 3 starters. And Maine has a dead arm...I say we ride out Pedro's problems.
     
  6. statjeff22

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    Interesting story in today's Newsday about how stark the differences are in Delgado's performance during the day (.293/.349/.629) and at night (.187/.282/.286). Any reasonable person would naturally take this as a clue to immediately get his eyes checked, but of course that's of no interest to him:

    Sigh. Here's where a manager can make a difference. Manuel should sit Delgado down, and tell him that he will not play in ANY night games until he goes and gets his eyes/glasses/night vision checked - period. Of course, managers are too afraid of players to do that, but where is the risk here? Delgado is gone at the end of this year anyway, and playing him at night obviously hurts the team dramatically.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmside025749280jul02,0,2619225.story
     
  7. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    While I agree it couldn't hurt to check it out I disagree with the article that we're out of the range of small sample sizes. Not to mention that Delgado has a couple other significant splits that could skewer the data one way or the other, especially when you're talking about 116 day ABs. Namely his home/road and lefty/righty splits.

    Plus when you look at last year although he was better in the day it was nowhere near as extreme as this season and he was just as bad overall last year.
     
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    It's true that the sample sizes aren't huge yet, but I think that they are saying something. Indeed, your second point actually makes clearer that he has been ignoring a potentially obvious issue for a long time. Here are his 2005 splits:

    Day 40 37 162 136 21 42 7 2 6 35 16 6 37 8 0 2 0 3 0 0 .309 .407 .522 .929 .379 149 92 Day
    Night 104 104 454 385 60 115 34 1 27 80 56 14 84 9 0 4 3 13 0 0 .299 .396 .603 .999 .317 163 103 Night


    Here are his 2006 splits:

    Day 46 46 197 171 33 49 11 1 13 33 20 5 32 4 0 2 2 2 0 0 .287 .371 .591 .961 .281 148 111 Day
    Night 98 96 421 353 56 90 19 1 25 81 54 6 88 6 0 8 1 10 0 0 .255 .356 .527 .883 .262 128 95 Night


    Here are his 2007 splits:

    Day 43 43 190 163 26 47 12 0 8 31 21 4 35 4 0 2 1 3 3 0 .288 .379 .509 .888 .320 133 127 Day
    Night 96 96 417 375 45 92 18 0 16 56 31 4 83 7 0 4 1 9 1 0 .245 .312 .421 .733 .271 93 88 Night


    Here are his 2008 splits:

    Day 30 30 126 116 20 34 7 1 10 27 10 1 23 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 .293 .349 .629 .979 .289 158 156 Day
    Night 51 48 213 185 20 37 8 0 4 18 22 7 42 4 0 2 0 3 1 0 .200 .296 .308 .604 .234 65 65 Night


    He has basically been doing the same during the day for all four years, but getting progressively worse at night. He should have gone to the eye doctor at least a year ago, in fact. I'm not going to try to explore interactions of lefty/righty or home/away with day/night, but I can't see any reason why the Mets would have faced more righty pitchers during the day than at night for the past three seasons. Unless the Mets play fewer day games at home than other teams it's not that either, since he has consistently been better on the road than at home since becoming a Met (his career performance at Wrigley Field is nothing special, in fact).
     
  9. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    I just don't have enough confidence in day/night splits as a stat to point to that as the reason why Delgado sucks now. If you look at the splits over his career they vary wildly with no rhyme or reason and while there is certainly a downward trend in his night game performance I'm willing to chalk that up to coincidence.

    The main problem I have with this being some kind of degenerative vision issue is that he basically fell off a cliff post 2006. He was an amazing player up to and including the playoffs in 06 then he lost his ability to be great vs RHP. Basically ever since he had that elbow/wrist surgery at the end of the 06 season he's been terrible. Dude lost some bat speed and sucks now, it's not pretty but I don't think a pair of glasses is going to fix him either.
     
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    bunting in the first inning makes sense, because Pedro is on the mound, and if the Mets got a run that's probably all they would need!
     
  11. Dr. Christian Troy

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    Quick. Someone locate the midget Pedro used to carry around.
    I think he has Pedro's stuff.
     
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    pedro, my friends is done!

    im all for moving him into the bullpen, but w/all his 1st inning troubles, how can he come out of the pen?
     
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    This is painful to watch, 06 was the year to win it all. Now they will open the new stadium with a long rebuild ahead.
     
  14. Dr. Christian Troy

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    Rebuild?! Are you kidding? There's a ton of overpriced, over the hill, past their prime players scattered around the majors for the Mets to sign or trade for.
     
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    the mets showing some life
     
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    Any updates would be appeciated.
     
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    Oh, Pedro got rocked?

    A little help for the imprisoned, please?
     
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  18. Dr. Christian Troy

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    5-4 redbirds going into top7th
     
  19. JumboJet

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    Much obliged. Somehow this site isn't blocked at work, and WFAN dosen't come in.

    Go Carlos y Carlos. In spite of his recent success, I do hope Delgado's batting 6th again.

    How long did Pedro go?
     
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  20. Dr. Christian Troy

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    Wright's on, 1 out (Carlos I pop up)
     

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