Since no player has come to Baker's defense, I wonder if they think he's doing the wrong/dumb thing as well. When Coles and Rhodes needed to be restructured and given new contracts- the uproar was loud in the locker room. Those deals got done, and all of those anonymous players stopped talking about the money issues. No one else has said anything, even anonymously about Baker and his situation. I think his teammates even know he's not worth the money he wants. Great job by the FO to get two TEs that can replace him if he gets traded too. Make sure he goes to an NFC team.
Did you even read the rest of the thread? I may be sounding a little mean here, but you obviously haven't been paying attention. Those figures don't take into account his restructured contract and bonus. Now be a good boy and do your research before jumping in over your head.
you know what moose you are a typical douchebag, nothing more nothing less just a douchebag. and you prove it by taking it in the ass from your employer and instead of finding a company that treats you right you sit there and take it, probably even ask if they have any burlap condoms for the next time. so out of 53 players 3 of them have had a MAJOR issue, so thats 6% of the players have had issues over the past year. now let me ask you this of the 53 players on the roster how many were the starters? let me help you, 22, ill give you 25 for the long snapper and kicker/punter. now were at 12%, lets take it a step further and see how many guys were in the last year or 2nd to last year of a contract, ill leave that one up to you to figure out. the bottom line is that you SHOULD be concerned with the way these things are coming up over and over again. but go ahead keep acting like a douchebag who needs to be heard so you yell louder and louder. calling names, telling people what to do. im sorry to all who read this if it offends you but this guy is quite annoying and disrespectful.
oh btw i took the shaft from my company one time and moved out of my department with a better job in less than 6 months. like an adult not a child who sits there and takes being treated like trash.
Im not saying Baker is an elite Te but we have one guy who cant block and another who has not done anything in years with Brett Farve throwing to him? I think we need to bend a little bit with Baker.
If you think sticking by a company which receives the majority of its business from the residential housing market, which is shit in FL and pretty bad in the rest of the country, is taking it up the ass, then I'm Richard Simmons. I got this job almost 2 years ago after being laid off from a company in the Orlando area. At the time, the downturn in business was evident. I still got to choose from any number of jobs and took the job in the area I wanted with the company I chose. I get 3% matching on my 401k, killer benefits, and a year from now, when things are hopefully better, I'll be able to get my bonus in the form of company stocks, effectively making me part-owner, but yeah, I'm a douchebag for NOT OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDARIES. As far as your math...it's just a little off. This FO has dealt with much more than 53 players in the 2+ years at the helm, but you left that out. This FO has dealt with over 100 players' contracts, not including the PSers, and still, CB is only the 3rd guy to make a stink. Coles=bitches about money every year...and is happy for now. Kendall=history of bitching about money...and is gone now. Baker=3rd guy to call out the FO repeatedly in the press, had the same agent as Kendall, and generally has no legs to stand on. If I missed anyone who has repeatedly come out in the press and bitched about unfair treatment by the current regime, please enlighten me. Otherwise you are just using that same 3% over and over to prove your point. The fact is that you have shown nothing to support your argument that the FO treats players unfairly on a regular basis. Until you add some more beef to your argument, you're just grabbing at straws. I am not a douchebag all the time, just when it comes to stubbornness without cause. I apologize for the insults, but until you can come up with a better argument, I will continue to be frustrated.
Guys, Enough with the personal attacks. I have given two members warnings from this thread alone. Let's start having civil debates on here or people are going to start getting suspended.
Yeah, you got it right! Thanks, White Shoe Willie, you boiled my argument down quite well, 'cept for a few points. Maybe you do not agree with my assessment but a lot of people think that the Pete Kendall disaster last season (which resulted in the OL turning into a matador defense) was a major reason the Jets went into the tank, but a lot of people (lik the commentators on Jets Nation, the Jets own TV show) think this was a major problem. Apparently, another person who agrees is Woody Johnson, the Jets owner, who obviously forced Mangini and Tannenbaum to overpay for the position as soon as the season ended. Anyone who misses this is, I think, blind in one eye. Maybe both. And the Jets had to overpay for the LG position this season because Mangini and Tannenbaum were SO STUPID AND ARROGANT last year that they thought they could fill that position with "whoever." I seem to remember that "whoever" got Kellen Clemens sacked and injured during a game against the Patriots last season. A few years ago, "whoever" got Vinnie Testaverde injured during the first damn game of the season. "Whoever" also ended up giving up the sacks to Pennington and then Jay Fiedler in the same damn game. I am so sick of watching our Jets seasons go up in smoke because the front office doesn't seem to realize how important the OL position is. They constantly allow good players like Kareem MacKenzie (didn't he win a Super Bowl with the Giants?), Jason Fabini (who had a very good career without the Jets), and yes, Pete Kendall, the public enemy who dared to sass the Jets front office (and was sent to the rookies' dorm as punishment), but who was praised as a good guy just a few months before, and praised as "another coach on the OL" and was reprotedly helping D'Brick and Mangold learn their positions. And yes, under ordinary circumstances? LG is not that important. But because the Jets are penny-wise and dollar stupid, we have the team we have. I do not mean to say that the Faneca signin is a bad move, but it does look like a panic move. And panic moves are symptomatic of a team that does not have a plan in place. And good, veteran players like Chris Baker creating the exact same controversy as Kendall did last year is not a good sign. Bubba Franks might be a good player, btu if he was so great why did Green Bay let him go? Remember all the veteran DL vets the Jets brought in last year? How did that work out, exactly? Did it improve the team? I'm glad so many posters root for the Front Office on this board but I am always disappointed that they constantly diss the players. One last thing: Anyone who does not think that Mangini is on very thin ice this season is either stupid or ignorant. Mangini better win a lot of games early in the season or we will be hearing many rumors about Bill Cowher, Charlie Weis and his staff.
It's funny reading your posts because you generalize the board so consistently and yet you continuously try to include yourself among us; it's effective trolling, but in the end it's just trolling. Trying to compare this offseason to last offseason is just pea-brained. Every team has ugly contract disputes, even your beloved Pats. But here you are simultaneously criticizing and dismissing the FO for neglecting the O-line and also criticizing the aggressive moves they made to address the O-line. You are inconsistent and your argument is flimsy. You fail.
McKenzie, the Giants overpaid for, like we did for Faneca. We could have (and probably should have) tried to make that commitment, but we didn't. Fabini had a great career without the Jets? He was very mediocre at the end of his Jets' career, and he doesn't have a ton left in the tank. I guess that's convenient to leave out. The Faneca move was partly a panic move, but our LG situation was so much worse than we thought it would be last year that we needed someone. Faneca was the best available, so we went after him and got him. Franks was let go by Green Bay. Well, we're not asking him to be the starter really. We're asking him to be a great complimentary tight end to Baker, but if that fails, he still has the ability to start. Remember, we also have Keller and Pociask (whom the staff is high on) to fall back on at tight end.
Baker situation and the new labor agreement I know the owners plan to end the high cost of signing rookies with the new labor agreement. I also hope they can address contract holdouts in some manner. I'm on the side of the FO in the Baker situation. Does anyone think that holdouts will be a thing of the past someday?
On the players' side is the fact that a team can cut them at any time and not have to pay anything on the contract, except for the signing bonus and any other guaranteed bonuses, so the argument that 'these players have a contract and should stick to it' doesn't hold much water for me. On the other side, I can understand front offices being unwilling to re-do a deal except in the last season of a contract. They would be renegotiating with everyone constantly and would never have time for anything else. Are guaranteed contracts the answer? A team is then guaranteeing to pay the money, so a player could reasonably be required to honour his side of the deal or be fined/suspended. Unless the teams offer this, how can they honestly insist on players sticking to a contract?
Look at the total salary not what they count towards the cap then add in what he was forwarded last year (I think it works out to about $1.65-$1.85Mil total salary) and he works out to about the 18th highest paid TE.
What are you talking about here? His Achilles' tendon? He blew that out diving for a football after he botched a handoff and tore it up on the astro turf. Get the facts right before you try and make an argument like that. And if you're looking into this regime why are you bringing up Herm and Bradway? They're the ones who put together the Chad/Fiedler-killing o-line, and Parcells' crew was in place during the year Vinny blew out his Achilles'. Different regimes, differnt mindsets, different minds making the calls. You can't dump the old administrations' problems on their successors.
This might help you if you are willing to try it. If you pull real hard... so hard that your head comes out your ass, then you just might stop smelling shit.
You can't expect a Pats fan to know the minute details of Jets games. He also thinks that Jets fans have been waiting for Cotchery to emerge instead of having watched him emerge from nowhere last season.
This thread still has a life? I left Friday for Long Beach Island and return, only to find it still going. Now that Mini-Camp has broken and the Jets have a breather, this would be an ideal time to work a solution to the problem. Find a trading partner who might be intersted in Baker, take a 5th or 6th Rounder for him and bid him a fond adieu.
