Once Upon a time A broke down Vinne who was obviously done beat out Chad in Training camp as well. Chad should have been the starter from the beginning of that season. There is more at play in a locker room than talent. As per my previous post Chad is the king of the Red shirt no contact controlled scrimmage competition.
He's been on the team 3 years now, and he has not been handed the job. If he can't beat out "Chadwick who throws pick sixes with alarming frequency and generally throws like a girl" then he is garbage. Again for the Jets sake I hope he can win the job.
I see you have quoted me twice. I hope I have not upset you with that imo completely fair description of our Chadwickian Qb. But in a far competition, if Chad beats Clemens out, not only does CLemens suck but so does this organization for not having a quality enough Qb on the roster to beat out a truly awful Qb. That would be Chad, ftr.
Make that three quotes. I am honored. Camp has not started. Year three has not started. As of now, Clemens has only been on the team two years, not three. After the upcoming season he WILL HAVE BEEN on the team for three years. Not now, though. That would be two years, right now. And we are talking right now, no?
My math is not wrong... I am including this season. This is his year to win or lose on his arm. I believe he should be able to win the job at this point if he is indeed a better QB than Chad. Yeah, I'm leary of the HC wanting the guy who is going to give them the best chance to win on the field as well. He either beats him out, or we are looking for someone else next year. I'm always pulling for Chad, but in the end I want the guy that is going to lead us to victories. If the contest were a draw, the correct call in my opinion would be to put the younger guy in. He has not likely hit his ceiling for potential yet. You were saying again? :drunk:
I am inclined to agree with you, but I didn't think Chad beat out Clemens last year, either. Yet Mangini stuck with is early off season choice and left Chad in as the starter, and the lovely experience of following the NY Jets for us all suffered as a result.
Did Chad beat out Vinnie in 2002 when he was obviously better at the time? There is more to it than playing better. Kellen has to be lights out better than Chad.
If Mangini starts Chad his time in Ny will probably come to an end after this season. If Chad starts that team better go beyond the second round with all the money woody spent. With Kellen the team is built to grow with Chad the team is built to win now. Period!
So coming into his 3rd year he has not been handed the job over "Chadwick who throws pick sixes with alarming frequency and generally throws like a girl." I'm impressed. Look I'm not offended by your description, and I really hope Kellen can beat him out, but that fact that a girlie arm like Chad has been picked over him the last 2 seasons, does not say much about KC.
Well, if you would pick Clemens in that situation, you are a disgrace to other Chad Fans, but not Jet fans. Heh. You were referring to Clemens in the present tense, as I read your earlier post. Right now, not only is Clemens NOT a three year vet, no one here knows how he will do in the upcoming year. Next year we can look back on his third year on the team. Not now. And you can roll your eyes all you want, but the point is that HC's have been known from time to time to go with players who have not demonstrated in some objective way that they are best suited to win. They "go with their gut", or "he's pulled us through before" or "he has all the intangibles"... It goes on and on. To answer my earlier question for Mangini, I don't know if he would choose Clemens over Chad if their performance leading up to opening day were roughly equal. I fear he would pick Chad.
That makes no sense Clemens was drafted by Tangini not Chad. If anything they would want to start their guy, but their guy did not cut it.
This is not the same situation, the old regime got Vinnie and drafted Chad. This regime did not draft Chad they drafted Clemens, if anything they want Clemens to get the job, if it was even they would give it to Kellen, obviously it has not been.
So now "Chadwick who throws pick sixes with alarming frequency and generally throws like a girl." is built to win now??? Brilliant!!!
Personally I am leery of this camp competition, and not because I have some vested interest in Clemens. It's more that I know Chad is done, and we all know he throws like a girl, and he is not the future, or even the present. Clemens is relatively unknown. If you want him to succeed, as I think we all should, he should get all the support he can be given. The playbook should take advantage of and be tailored to his strengths. He should get as many reps as he can, and not have to share them. But, the reality is Mangini got burned and criticized for picking the starter before camp started last year. There is some logic to say the least that if Clemens deserves to win it, putting aside whether it will be a fair test, then he should be able to win it. And of course Mangini has limited the screams that will surely come from the still too large contingent of Chad Fans. I'm not saying I think it is not without a downside, but I don't think you can say the CS and FO think that Clemens is not that good because of the competition.
For the record I'm a Jets fan not a Chad or any other individual fan. Why would Mangini go with Chad over his own draft pick if things were even??? That makes no sense IMO.
Tangini is not a single person. However close they are, there is a division of labor between them. Last I checked Mangini did not run the personnel department, and Tannenbaum did not have final say on who starts at Qb. I do agree it did not make sense for Mangini to have picked Chad as the starter well before camp opened.
The old Regimes players are still a big part of the clubhouse. It starts with Chads best friend and godfather of his Kid Coles. Once again there is more at play than just playing better.
First of all again, I am a JETS fan, calling people chad fans is wrong. Second I never said anyone was down on Clemens or thought he was not good. The fact that Chad was handed the job the last 2 seasons over Kellen a Tangini pick is alarming. How you can honestly thin Mangini wanted to give the job to Chad who you call a girl over his own pick is ludicrous IMO.
Because, as should be adundantly clear by now, Mangini is obviously capable of being wrong. He was wrong to have annointed Chad the starter for 07 when 06 had barely been completed. He was wrong to leave it that way after camp. He was wrong to have not put more in the playbook than dinks and dunks. He was wrong to put Chad back in there after the Ravens game. And he was certainly, completely and clearly wrong to have left Chad in while the season went first down the toilet and eventually into the cesspool. Which is what he did. He was also clearly wrong in the way he played whatever role he did in putting together the OL last year. I hope I have answered your question, but to put it in brief, becuase I don't trust Mangini to do the right thing.
You are turning a blind eye now. Mangini and Tannenbaum drafted Kellen not Chad, they both want to see Kellen take over the team, the fact that he has not beat out a "girl" is scary. To try and say that anybody in the current regime is a Chad man is asinine.
