Haha .. Gas prices are high these days for those "commutes" .. Hey.. I got no shame in saying I like this board better than PatsFans.com .. It's a personal pref .. It might bother some, but I can't control that.. So.. Oh well ..
Eh, I'll give you that one Gerald. It was just so hard for me to say he's Coach of the Year when he's been cheating for so long. Just like saying, the Patriots won all those Super Bowls fair and square. But, just like you said, I ain't gonna lose sleep over it. By the way, you coming here and posting in all the Cheating Patriots threads just prove one point... Thanks for playing Gerald. Here's to living up to expectations...and for the many years to come. :beer:
Thats not worry. What would worry us about the pats coach being exposed as a cheat?? If this doesn't effect you in some way then your not really a fan of your team
You make a comment saying that you aren't emotionally attached to the subject, that you don't care about matters out of your control. Yet nearly all of your recent posts on this message board are related to the Spygate scandal. If you're not attached and don't care then why come to a rival team's site and comment in every thread about the topic? And why would you make it a point to tell us you don't care?
Dude .. I'm passed the "rivals website" slogan .. I am attached .. I am attached to my wife, my duaghter .. How's that for prespective?
with the money the organization benefited form the cheating with the wins and endorsements, bill and bob will be laughing about it for years, behind closed doors off course.
This is the only problem with the article. They spent at least six years gathering information on the other 31 NFL teams, learning their signals and such, then they're told to stop doing it in the beginning of 07, and were supposed to believe that theres no longer any advantage? We're supposed to act like, over those six years, nobody in that organization learned anything about another team that actually stuck in their brain for use next time? The taping itself stopped, the team still had boatloads of illegally gathered information to use. As the guys on Profootballtalk pointed out, so what if the Patriots didnt tape the Rams walkthrough practice before the Super Bowl; they almost certainly taped their regular season matchup earlier that year. As long as they've got something in their archives they can use against the next team, it doesn't matter if they've ceased collecting new tapes, they're still cheating. For all that this guys slamming Belichick, he still wants to give him credit for being the best coach ever, thats what slays me. Heres a little test, replace the words "Bill Belichick" with "Barry Bonds" and everything relating to tapes and spygate with "steroids", and youll get a nice article about how even though Barry Bonds cheated his ass off for most of his career, hes CLEARLY still the best batter weve ever seen, and could still easily have broken any record he wanted to without ever touching the juice. It's complete bullshit, as soon as Bonds touched a syringe he lost the right to even be considered for that title, because we'll never know what the man himself was capable of. The same rules apply for any other sort of cheating in my opinion, the guy cheated and got caught, people need to accept that all the taping (along with anything else they may have been doing that theyve not been caught for yet) does in fact detract from his legacy as a coach.
As I have said before, the Pats didn't win because they cheated, however, it must have helped somehow. Regardless, I find it hard to believe that the same owners who are using money as the motivation to opt out of the CBA today haven't been more vocal on this subject because of the millions of dollars generated from winning and winning titles. As Puff Daddy says in the movie Made, "You f*ckin' with my money now." Reasons could be: 1) They cheat 2) They are wealthy anyway 3) Most of their teams weren't good enough compete regardless of any advantage from taping 4) Goodell put a gag order on them 5) They are concerned about being blackballed by other owners for speaking out
Nobody here knows how much the cheating helped the Pats, and they aren't saying. Please save me all the bs about how you nonetheless know they were a great team without the cheating help. I on the other hand have to think they persisted at it despite the risks because they thought it was helping them.
I get what the article is trying to say, but I don't agree with it completely: 1. I still don't think Belichek could be that good WITHOUT cheating. 2. The article is trying to portray that Belichek and Patriots are THAT good without cheating. No. They may be a great team, but not 16-0 great. If anything, their OL always had their hands full against big, physical DLs. Same for their DLs - they had bad match against teams that could pound the ball down their throat. (For instance, Philadelphia game shouldn't have been their win had it not been for that god-awful Feeley, if anything.) This weakness showed up in the most magnificent way, crumbling the OL entirely in the superbowl. 16-0 good? Yeah. Right. 16-0 good that can't even run on a consistent basis? 3. Spygate tarnished essentially nothing - it simply showed how the Patriots gained advantage over other teams since Belichek came to power in New England.
Beli-cheat, Charlie-cheat, Romeo-cheat, Eric-cheat, etc. Thanks for posting Bob Ryan's complete column, GSourJr. I had heard about I but didn't have a chance to track it down. As (I believe) Bob Ryan said himself (perhaps on Around the Horn or PTI), "the coverup is always worse than the crime." This is the problem a few of us are having with Belichek and Spygate. Personally, I wish it would all go away, but a tiny voice in my head says, "Who knew what, and when? Belichek is obviously lying about the fact that he knew it was wrong when he did it... So what about (Notre Dame's) Charlie Weis? Cleveland's Romeo Crennel? Was he also a cheater? And what about our own Eric Mangini? Who knew what, and when?" I think our owner, Woody Johnson, should be launching his own investigation. Otherwise, he's as bad as the rest.
