Yankees vs. Seattle (5/2-5/4)

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  1. SixFeetDeep

    SixFeetDeep Red Hot Robbie Cano

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    that was defintley his problem, keeping the ball down in the zone. also his walks and home runs killed him too.
     
  2. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Yeah, I agree. It won't take more than the first two innings to know whether he's back with the pros, or is just a waste of $40M.

    What I'm hoping for is that he's good enough to be the middle man in the pen. What I'd like to see is Joba join the rotation, and the pen to be:

    5-6: Igawa (based on need)
    7: Ohlendorf
    8: Farnsworth
    9: Mo

    That would be pretty formidable, with a rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Chamberlain, and hopefully Kennedy (Rasner if not). Hughes would get some extra time to recover under this scenario, and maybe pitch out of the pen in spot work later in the year.

    So our staff would be:

    Pen:
    Albaladejo
    Hawkins (Or we could just dump him)
    Hughes
    Rasner
    Igawa
    Ohlendorf
    Farnsworth
    Rivera

    Rotation:
    Wang
    Pettitte
    Mussina
    Chamberlain
    Kennedy

    I think that's the kind of staff you can take into October. Granted, it hinges on things like Igawa pitching well, Hughes recovering well, and Kennedy continuing to bounce back, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility.
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    BTW: Farnsworth is out for tonight. His suspension was dropped from 3 games to 1, which he'll serve tonight.
     
  3. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it does include foul balls, but his total contact rate and foul contact rate aren't any higher than previous years. And his line drive percentage is up (by a significant amount). It's been his BABIP keeping him down. That's been ridiculously low. And you have to figure with a LD% that high, those balls put in play will start to find spots to land.

    I DO think that in the past couple of weeks, the lack of results started to bother him, but aside from that (and it happens to all slumping players) I don't see anything to worry about with him.
     
  4. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Wow, are there enough acronyms in that post? :wink:

    Seriously though, I never said he wouldn't break out of his slump. Far from it. As I made the point regarding pitching, natural talent doesn't simply evaporate. He'll eventually get back on track, hit over .300 and drive in a lot of runs.

    My only point with Cano is that he is not as good as he's been made out to be. I'm not saying you are a culprit. The loudest voices I've heard are Kay, Singleton, and O'Neil, with a smatering of Flaherty. Granted, the only one of the group I have any respect for is O'Neil, but still, I can't see Cano ever being the #3 hitter they hyped him to be, and I never could. As I've said, I see him as a fixture hitting behind ARod for most of his career.

    As for the past couple weeks, I don't really blame him. He's trigger happy when he's hitting well. There's no doubt he's only going to be even moreso when he's struggling.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    You would think so except he turned into kei "
    Give up 2 runs every inning" Igawa and his 18.00 ERA.
     
  6. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

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    Not to belabor the point, but I noticed fangraphs.com has a nice new addition to their metrics. You were talking about Cano's swinging at pitches out of the strike zone and all that... look at this site:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3269&position=2B

    Specifically, look at the bottom of that page, with the swing percentages. It breaks down swings outside of the zone, swings in the zone, contact rate in the zone, contact rate out of the zone, etc.

    And - like I had mentioned in previous posts - Cano is actually doing much BETTER this year than in years past. I really do believe he's just been a culprit of bad luck more than anything else. Aw heck, I'll just post the info here... but you all should check out the site... it's pretty damn cool.

    * O-Swing%: The percentage of pitches a batter swings at outside the strike zone.
    * Z-Swing%: The percentage of pitches a batter swings at inside the strike zone.
    * Swing%: The overall percentage of pitches a batter swings at.
    * O-Contact%: The percentage of pitches a batter makes contact with outside the strike zone when swinging the bat.
    * Z-Contact%: The percentage of pitches a batter makes contact with inside the strike zone when swinging the bat.
    * Contact%: The overall percentage of a batter makes contact with when swinging the bat.
    * Zone%: The overall percentage of pitches a batter sees inside the strike zone.

    What you’ll want to know is the major league averages for each stat... these are the averages:

    HTML:
    Season O-Swing Z-Swing  Swing     O-Contact Z-Contact Contact   Zone
    2005     20.3%   68.0%  46.0%      51.8%     88.3%   80.8%  53.8%
    2006     23.5%   66.6%  46.1%      57.4%     88.5%   81.0%  52.6%
    2007     25.0%   66.6%  45.9%      60.8%     88.2%   80.8%  50.3%
    And here is how Cano has done.
    HTML:
    Season	Team	O-Swing%	Z-Swing%	Swing%	O-Contact%	Z-Contact%	Contact%	Zone%	Pitches
    
    2005	Yankees	25.64 % 	69.94 % 	51.04 % 	60.89 % 	94.66 % 	87.43 % 	57.33 % 	1681
    2006	Yankees	30.77 % 	73.77 % 	54.08 % 	63.16 % 	95.52 % 	87.09 % 	54.20 % 	1636
    2007	Yankees	34.43 % 	72.54 % 	52.95 % 	69.17 % 	95.22 % 	86.52 % 	48.60 % 	2287
    2008	Yankees	28.13 % 	73.12 % 	51.99 % 	82.54 % 	91.89 % 	89.52 % 	53.04 % 	493
    As you can see, Cano is swinging less often this year at pitches out of the zone, and more often at pitches in the zone. His contact rate on pitches out of the zone is much higher, and his overall contact percentage is significantly higher than the league average.

    ETA: Of course, it should also be noted that the higher contact rate on pitches outside of the zone might have something to do with the lower average, as well. If he's not getting good wood on those balls, he's better off missing them completely (assuming it's not strike three) and getting another hack at a different pitch.
     
    #146 Cappy, May 10, 2008
    Last edited: May 11, 2008
  7. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    The other thing is, just because a pitch is technically in the strike zone it doesn't mean it should be swung at. For example, a 2-1 pitch at the knees on the outside corner is better off taken for a strike than grounded to second, which is usually what would happen.
     

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