You can't blame his passing skills on the WRs. That comes from repetition, film study, and coaching. It would be one thing if all of his passes were hitting their hands before they hit the ground but the 9 to 17 TD to INT ratio says differently. He's not making the decisions and he's not putting the ball where it needs to be. Some of those INT's could come from the WRs not running the proper routes or making the right adjustments but that still doesn't account for the huge disparity between those two stats.
I think the reason is a lot of people are content to find a scapegoat, rather than taking the time and investing the thought to try to understand what's really causing this team to lose.
Farve is not truly known for his accuracy, and he even said he did not place the ball correctly on that throw - he should have thrown it to the outside a little more. Chad is known only for his accuracy, and I believe that the ball is being placed in the correct spot, yet the window is closed on arrival, thus rendering the throw intercepted.
We can have the best defense in the league and the AFC prowbowl playing offensive line for us. Chad will not win a Championship as a Qb. Period! Once the lines are fixed we are still stuck with a team that can not win.
The Titans seem to think they need to bring in players that fit Vince Young, rather than trying to get Vince Young to fit the players they have. This is what they are saying. I haven't seen enough of their games to believe otherwise.
that is your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it -- again, though you are diametrically opposed to the CS and FO on this. And they are the ones calling the shots. I'm more interested in what they will get right.
Once again im not disagreeing with you. He has to get better in all aspects. At the end of the day the talent is there if he puts in the time to be a superstar.
The thing that bothers me the most is I agree with the other moves they have made to fix this team. The Qb situation and not getting a De to add more of a pass rush are my only complaints. The rest will take time to fix.
Quote: "...Chad is known only for his accuracy, and I believe that the ball is being placed in the correct spot, yet the window is closed on arrival, thus rendering the throw intercepted...." I think Chad is also known for getting the team into a play that fits the defense. He is also known for getting the other team offsides two or three times a game. He is also known for going on quick count and taking advantage of teams in this fashion. I think Chad is also known for being an exceedingly good play faker in the manner of Peyton Manning. You can exaggerate about how Chad's accuracy is a function of 5 yard passes, but I think that's arguable. We would have to go through the play-by-plays of the games, but I think that 5 yard phenomenon is exaggerated. I think that Chad is a very smart quarterback with modest physical skills that he strives to take maximum advantage of. He is not always successful physically because of injuries and because his strict overhand delivery (learned from Vinnie) that's the basis of his accuracy just takes more time. Chad rarely gets more time from his OL. I will also say that Chad throws a much more receiver friendly ball than Kellen who tends to fire it in with the point downward which is a bitch to catch, especially if you're used to getting the Chad balls. But either of these quarterbacks should be able to play fairly well if the OL delivers on the running game as well as they are supposed to this year, in my opinion.
Ok fine, they're going to bring in players to fit Young. When? Here's their WR acquisitions thus far: Justin McCariens (looks great in trainning camp!), Mike Williams (#1 on Mel Kiper's draft board in 2005!) and Levell Hawkins (4th rounder, a stunning 5'11"!). I'll give them Algee Crumpler as a positive pick-up but aside from that there isn't much, if any, improvement in the receiving corps and they're stuck in the same situation where they started unless Hawkins can grow an extra 8 inches at will to catch the passes sailing over his head like Mr. Elastic or actualy reach his hands through the body of the CB to grab the ball before it's intercepted like Shadow Cat.
This is what it comes down to... KeepChad&Kellen, if you think a QB should be able to rely on his running game at the end of the game when he needs to score to tie/win, you simply don't watch enough football.... No matter what you say, and no matter what the CS does, the fact remains that Pennington has not led us to a TD in a 2-minute drill situation in either of the last two seasons.... There is a clear reason for that...
No, it's not exaggerated... I'm not sure if you were posting here at the time, but during our abysmal start to the season, week by week I went through the games and calculated Pennington's percentage of pass attempts where the ball travelled, in the air, 10+ yards down the field. Pennington, according to my calculations through I believe the first 6 games of the season, attempted a lower % of passes 10+ yards down the field than any starting QB in football (including guys like Joey Harrington).... His completion %, and his TD/INT ratio on those passes were also abysmal.... You'd have to go a pretty long way back, but those posts still exist, and they are pretty solid evidence..
I'm fully aware of his positives and I was a huge supporter of him... in the moments where he could have shined due to everyone else doing their job correctly, he didn't do his correctly.. thats what makes me have the position I have. I have the minority position in finding a new QB altogether. I'm ready to take the high risk/ high reward factor of a first round QB- like Chad was in 2000. And to Chad's credit, the Jets haven't had this kind of sustained playoff appearances for a very long time. I'm ready to find the kid who will continue that, but at the same time push us through to he next level, which is getting past round 1 or 2, and into the AFC game and the SB. I hold this position since its what the winning teams look for and sustain, Jets fans are stereotyped into mediocrity- but i won't stand for it. I'm a competitor by nature, thats why I am not content on mediocre QB play. No matter how good the lines are.
Going back to my point about the short passes & high completion percentage... I was able to find one of my earlier posts from last season, regarding Pennington's propensity to throw the short pass: From 10/04/07:
Quote: "...o matter what you say, and no matter what the CS does, the fact remains that Pennington has not led us to a TD in a 2-minute drill situation in either of the last two seasons.... There is a clear reason for that......" If what you say is true about this "clear reason", I don't understand why the CS and FO who have made a lot of very intelligent moves since they've gotten here, would be so blind to the clarity that you see. As far as what I have to say about running during a 2 minute drill, well, I think that successful teams like the NYGs and the Pats among others, sprinkle in screen passes, and runs, along with their passing during their 2 minute drills. You guys who think that only a strong-armed eagle eyed Savior is going to overwhelm the defense that's gunning for his passes with lightning darts, well, maybe that works in Madden, I wouldn't know. But if you don't get most defenses guessing wrong because you have more than one alternative you can go to that they have to defend against, then most defenses will shut you down more often than you will get lucky. There are no magical quarterbacks, there are good teams that have an integrated attack. You take away Moss, you have to deal with Welker; you take away Welker and Moss, then you have to deal with Kevin Faulk running and coming out of the backfield. You bear down on Kevin and you have to deal with the TE down the seam. We need to work with more alternatives because our OL gives the team enough time and enough of an opportunity, not look in vain for that Franchise QB Savior. There's too much over-the-top emphasis on the QB is the answer to everything here, for my money.
We sprinkle in more screens and draws during our two-minute drill than any team I've seen in recent memory... But what you have been saying is that Pennington's lack of success in the 2-min drill is due to lack of support from his running game. That's just silly. If you get the ball with under 2 minutes left down a score, you had better be able to keep the ball in the air and move it down the field... If a QB needs support from his running game in order to complete sideline passes at any juncture of the game, he has some serious problems... Throwing a draw or screen in every 4th or 5th play in a 2-min drill to keep the passrushers honest makes sense, but sometimes, especially in 2-minute situations, the QB needs to simply make a play that the D knows is coming... Pennington has a few pretty good options, but he cannot consistently get them the ball when he needs to, where he needs to... You cannot rely on clear out patterns and short, underneath throws towards the middle in a 2 minute drill. You cannot rely on draws and screens to move the team down the field. You cannot rely on fade passes every time you enter the red zone... The QB needs to be able to squeeze some throws into coverage down the field. Period
What about the GW drive against Miami in 2006? He led us down against Cleveland in 06 too but Baker got bounced out of bounds in the end zone. I know we didn't score there, but he did march us down. He led them to the GW TD in the opener against Tennesee with about 2 mins left in 2006. I know these aren't perfect examples of the 2 minute offense, and I know they aren't 2 minute TDs but you have to also factor in how many 2-minute drive opportunities he's had. But the few opportunities he has had in critical situations (maybe a better measuring tool than 2-minute drill) he has come thru. Now, 2007 clearly was a disaster.
