This is the dumbest, most pointless thread ever. I nominate AG for the worst poster of the year with this thread alone. Wow... unfuckingreal.
i have decided you are either: A) a pats/fins/bills fan who is scared of the inevitable this year B) stupid C) a disgrace to this message board
Apparently an awful lot of people here are content with the Jets being mediocre every year and/or have forgotten how bad of a player CP really is. Every year we hear this same thing about how he's learned from his mistakes, he's working on his arm strength, etc, etc... you people sound like battered wives.
I know it seems ethical to bash Chad, but doing so in this manner is not fair. While I agree Chad does not have Favre arm strength, he is still a very efficient QB. The main reason for his fall off has been poor offensive line play, and a running game that is not respected by most opposing teams. This takes away one of Chad's best talents - play action. It also puts the game totally on Chad's shoulders to get a W and I really do not think that is his comfort zone. Chad needs a complete team behind him: running, good receiving, blocking, good defense, etc. That is when Chad is at his best - not necessarily exciting, but that is when he can play. I know all about the surgeries and many say his arm is done; it could be true, but I really think that the last few years his weaknesses have been fully exposed mosly because of the par to very subpar performance of his supporting cast. I really think with the moves that have been made this off-season, if in fact Chad does win the job, he will have very close to the type of cast he needs in order to be successful again. Nevertheless, if Kellen is the guy, then I am OK with that, too. I don;t worry about Kellen's arm; I worry about his mind. And with Chad, I don't worry about his mind; I worry to a degree about his arm. With Ainge - as a rookie - I would be missing games by game 6.
firstly, i want to make it clear that i'm not all for Ainge starting, although i am for the best QB starting -- and if by some chance, that's Ainge, then fine. whatever. the part i quoted: this is what the Chadetractors have a problem with. how long do we have to sit and watch a QB who can't put a team/a game on his shoulders? there will be times late in a game when it's blatantly obvious that we can't/won't run the ball, so playaction will be out the window anyway. then what?
Amen Bro. Couldn't have put it better. Totally pointless thread and the author should receive a six month ban.
I understand the frustration. Chad is what he is - you win by the sword or die by by the sword. Ainge would have to have the greatest camp in the history of football to beat out a veteran and a third year guy, but if it happens, then sobeit. I really think we will open with Clemens. He really needs to shine this year or we will see the Jets make a very bold QB move in the offseason in 2009.
Until there is a more capable QB to fill his shoes. That is how long. If that ends up being KC this year, great. If not, it is unlikely it will be Ainge this year. Love him or leave him, until we see this TC unfold we won't know exactly what to expect.
I have to agree with this thread. We know what Chad Pennington is and it is not good enough to win in the playoffs. Its not that those who want a change are ungreatful for what Chad has done. Instead, it is that those who want a change have come to realize his physical limitations. After the 2 surgeries Chad's already weak arm has been rendered far below NFL caliber. I can't watch him dink and dunk anymore. In the long run it is better for the Jets to start a young kid who could possibly develop than be content with a rag arm quarterback. Of course this year Kellen seems like a better choice for the young kid who will start as he has 2 years under his belt.
I say give the rookie the starting job and let him learn on the go. That is how some of the best QBs learned. I never liked letting a QB sitting on the bench, let him get experience on the field. Otherwise a year from now we will still be wounding who our QB will be in 2009. We know what we have in CP & KC, and that isn't much.
Quote: "...there will be times late in a game when it's blatantly obvious that we can't/won't run the ball, so playaction will be out the window anyway. then what?..." If you can't run the ball it's because your OL sucks. You are getting beaten like a drum on the line of scrimmage. There is no passing either when you are getting pounded back into the QB's face before he has a chance to turn around from his dropback. You think David Carr was born with happy feet and a panic release? Pay attention to the game. No skill player has a chance to do anything until the OL wins its job. The NYJ OL has been the laughing stock of the NFL for too long a time. You guys complain about QBs who have about 1.8 seconds to manifest. You're chewing rocks. you guys complain about running backs who don't just "take it to the house" any time they want. ...Lack of talent. ...No desire. You have no appreciation for a RB who gets no blocking worth a damn and yet still somehow "eeks" out 1,119 yards over the season. You guys are inhaling charcoal. You guys can't judge our skill players based on recent OL play. That's a yellow-belly move. Just face the obvious. You guys think the Big Uglies are a 'necessary evil' and don't pay them any attention whatsoever. Go back to Madden and leave the football games to those that like the rough stuff.
No the defense line has been the laughing stock and we have invested six 1st round draft picks into it in the last six years.
You just solved the mysterious puzzle. Maybe a QB needs a decent ground attack to take it to the super bowl, unless if you are the Pats, in which case you need Matt Walsh.
Quote: ...."No the defense line has been the laughing stock and..." Okay, you got that right too. But the NYJs have been providing lots of laughs on both sides of the line of scrimmage for some time.
D) All of the above I don't think any of us want mediocrity but at the same time we don't want a rookie QB that was drafted in the 5th round starting over a seasoned veteran. I do like CP and everything he has done for this organization. But to say that he sucks and everything is all his fault clearly means you just watch the sportscenter highlights and not the actual game.
Point I was making is that even Vinny could'nt take us all the way to the Super Bowl with his rocket arm. QB is a very vital position on the field. But its not the only position. Like some one mentioned, even Marino could'nt win a super bowl. Its not about reaching the superbowl for CP. Its about who is better and gives us a better 'chance' at reaching the super bowl. Only two teams out of 32 reach it with one winning it. So you can't really complain if you dont make it. Its tough. Even you if you all 16 regular season game and reach the super bowl, you are not guaranteed to win it. Im sure no one needs an example of such. However, I hope Kellen wins the competition. Because that would mean Kellen has matured with time and is much better than last yr.
