Ghol & Kell give Jets "accountable" players

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  1. GSourJr

    GSourJr New Member

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    I'm very satisfied with the draft, especially as I've had to chance to see more about these players and read what they're college coaches and teammates have to say about them, especially Vernon and Dustin.

    Bottom line: Before last weekend, the Jets had nobody you had to worry about on offense and no one you needed to plan around on defense.

    By Sunday morning, the Jets acquired 2 players with the likely potential to keep opposing defensive and offensive coordinators up a little later at night.
     
  2. Docny1975

    Docny1975 New Member

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    I will worry about our offense until Ive seen a game or two. The QB issue has got me worried I wish we could just merge Chad and Kelllen into one person Chads football intelligence and Kellens body.
     
  3. jilozzo

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    GS

    you nailed it....as much as i like coles, cotchery, jones on offense - we have not had that guy in here for a long long time. even martin as the RB - opposing coordinators would NOT game plan around him and were satisfied to "give" him the 80-100 yards cause there was no one else to fear.

    go back to 98 - that offense snuck up on alot of teams quickly - there were 3 bonafide options at receiver and more out of the backfield - especially with a QB that had an arm you had to repsect.

    i can see this offense approaching that level if all things click - especially at QB - but not until at least half way thru the season after everyone gets there toes wet together.

    jil
     
  4. ToESonNoES58

    ToESonNoES58 New Member

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    Right now I'm more worried about our Run Defense than our QB situation..but I hope that is fixed by the time preseason rolls around
     
  5. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

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    amen to that. i also worry about the secondary. after rhoades and revis we got nothing.

    i also worry about WR. i think keller will help out, but we've got a team full of #2, AND 3 RECIEVERS. WE NEED A LEGIT #1 GUY.
     
  6. GSourJr

    GSourJr New Member

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    I agree with you regarding the secondary.

    Regarding the receivers, however, I see 2 optimistic scenarios:

    1) Keller becomes the #1 receiver, allowing Coles and Cotchery to flourish as true #2 and #3.

    or

    2) The 3-headed attack of the Coles, Keller and Cotchery (too bad it's not Celler) will recreate the effective 3-headed attack of the 2002 Jets mentioned above (Coles, Moss and Chrebet) or the 1998 version with Keyshawn, Chrebet, and Ward.


    Of course, both scenarios are dependent on good QB play, which I think we'll get from somebody.
     
  7. notjustQBs

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    Originally Posted by Docny1975 View Post
    I will worry about our offense until Ive seen a game or two. The QB issue has got me worried I wish we could just merge Chad and Kelllen into one person Chads football intelligence and Kellens body.

    Docny1975, the NYJs are building the team to de-emphasize the "star" savior requirement for getting a win. This spells domination of the line of scrimmage. It is the key for the skill player.

    Dominating the line of scrimmage gives each play more time to be executed well. The RB has more time to find the hole (before he is smashed to the ground by some unblocked DL) and get through it. The QB has more time to set up a play-fake and find his open WRs. The play-fakes work so much better because the defense is getting run over or gashed by the running game.

    Every aspect of BS offensive strategy depends heavily on dominating the line of scrimmage. When the OL is clicking, all of the offensive weapons become more formidable. Each offensive alternative's success breeds more success for every other offensive alternative in BS' strategy.

    Our QBs cannot help but perform better as this team builds toward dominance on the line of scrimmage, in my view.

    Thus, the QBs don't have to save us with their star talent, they have to do their job efficiently and the offensive strategy will generate their success.
     
  8. Docny1975

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    Good point but we still need a qb that has a stronger arm then a wet noodle. Look at other teams that use the dominate run first pass second Steelers, Chargers and Colts. All of them control the line of scrimmage and then can dink dunk & deep pass we can only dink and dunk with Chad as our QB and Kellen doesnt yet have the ability to choose who to dink and dunk to but he can throw the deep ball. Do you understand what I'm saying?
     
  9. notjustQBs

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    When Chad has more time to set his legs and follow through, the NYJ CS believes he can make all the throws.

    When Kellen has more time to spot and recognize his reads, his decision-making will be much better, the NYJ CS believes in this.

    I think this competition (and a de-emphasis on the QB as the primary objective in the draft) for the QBs is predicated on the NYJ CS' belief that given better time to function, Chad's physical limitations (slower over-the-top follow-through with a lot of leg strength) and Kellen's mental limitations (slower read recognition due to inexperience) can be successfully addressed.

    It remains to be seen of course if they're right. However, this is the rationale behind the entire offensive strategy the CS is pursuing this off-season, it seems to me.
     
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    Exactly.

    Schott comes from the KC/SD offensive school which relies on 4 things:

    1. Good O-line.

    2. A pass catching TE.

    3. A solid at worse running game. RB must have good hands.

    3. Efficiency at the QB position.

    Those are the basic ingredients...I realize its simplifying what teams do...for example the Pats went from TE playing the safety valve to the slot WR...but basically the general idea is that the offense operates like one very efficient unit...a pro spread offense is another way to describe it.

    I think our offense has the potential to surprise alot of people. Even moreso than the defense will.
     
  11. Docny1975

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    Believe is a strong word Id rather Know

    I think we can have a good offense but I wish I knew we were with the new add ons. We have to hope and hoping is a hard thing to do for a jets fan after all these years.
     
  12. Jetcane

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    How about some accountability from the COACHING STAFF!

    Let's see if they can manage to field a team that can win more than half of its games this season without looking like they are on the ropes for most of the game.
     

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