Clemmens is the future of this organization.. Fuck J Mac and all those terrible players on the O Line. i guarantee hes Most Improved Player of the year candidate next year
The coaching staff has effectively tried to reduce pressure on the QB by going after players that excelled at run blocking this offseason. Tony Richardson = Run Blocker Alan Faneca = Run Blocker Jesse Chatman = Power RB Thomas Jones = Power RB This power running game the CS has established for us may just alleviate some of the pressure of Clemens or Pennington.
Who on the site has said he's terrific? He was a 2nd round pick who struggled last season. Pennington struggled last season as well, and he was playing with a team that wasn't running open tryouts on the OLine and WR corps. Neither Clemens nor Pennington has proven he is the answer at QB: Clemens has done nothing in the pros, and Pennington hasn't done a whole lot after his injuries. I'd prefer to give Kellen another chance, but Pennington might be the better QB right now. I just think that unless Pennington is leaps and bounds better than Kellen, Clemens should start.
Clemens hopefully is gonna start at QB this season. If the Jets' start Chad, then the Jets' are just plain stupid. Clemens big moment to shine was against NE & he was knocked out during the Jets' 1st offensive series. I was waiting to see how he handled NE & poof ! he was gone. Against Dallas...he looked very bad. Jets' also have bad playcalling & that mixes into there bad results of last year. But Clemens has a good arm & good mobility....though he could be taller. Jets' need to start Clemens & feature the running game...that will take alot of the presure off of him. Jets' have to have a clear understanding of there goals for this season. Can the Jets' compete for the SB....not realistically. So, they should look for improvement...that should be there goal. Maybe a nice 8-8 record; after all....they were 4-12 last season. Jets' need another good draft & maybe a couple more F.A.'s before there ready to go for the crown. By the 2009 season, Clemens will be battle tested & ready for the real wars.
Mangini has forgotten more about football than anybody on this board knows. If Mangini thinks Chad is the better QB, I believe him. If he thinks Clemens is the better QB, I'll support him.
Okay, I'll bite, even though you are the most annoying poster on this entire site. Go back and look at my post to Winston. Address those points and I'll actually respond to what you said rather than spouting off with unsubstantiated bullshit. I never said he was terrific and I never said he sucked. All I said is that there isn't enough evidence to support either claim. What the fuck part of that is not getting through your thick, ignorant skull.
The guy is what a 500 QB with a lossing record in the playoffs and that's the ceiling your putting on Clemens? Chad did better than anyone could expect with his limited talent and injuries but why the losers mentality?
Dude completely agree with you, it's been Clemens who started getting Baker into the offense not chad
Care to have any stats to back that up? If searching wasn't disabled, I'd refer you to my post that shows that Baker's offensive statistics were better with Chad under center.
I am just going by the NYJ QB history. Chad has been one of the better ones. Givin the history and consistency of our QBS leading us to the playoffs multiple years in their career,Clemens can hope to have Chads success. I would love to be wrong and have him come in and tear it up year after year,i just didn't see anything from him that makes me have that hope. I think a lot of Jet fans just want the anti-Chad with the arm strenth no matter who it is.
KC is NO Failure!.......I still want Chad to start this year because of our off-season moves but KC is the FUTURE!!!!!!!!! He needs to sit behind Chad for 1 more year and then he can step up and move us forward!
You don't see a nice live arm and great release? You don't see a guy who had the stuffing knocked out of him and was tough enough to hang on to the ball? You don't see a guy who lead the team down the field a few times in the 4th quarter after having the snot knocked out of him? He didn't show a lot but he showed some real ability. The guy is apparently pretty bright as well. He certainly has better physical tools than Chad to believe his upside is at least as good as Chads. When Chad was in his second year he never got off the bench, in his third year an old past his prime Vinny T still beat him out in TC. By the way a huge mistake by Herm not to have given the job to Chad outright before the season in 02. NY Jets history is pretty bad but Namath, Todd, and Testaverde all took the Jets further than Chad. Clemens may well turn out to be a great QB who will far exceed Chad? As bad as Clemens was last year, he was still marginally better than Chad who is a veteran NFL starter. What exactly did you see from Chad last year that makes you believe he is ever going to tear it up like he did for a handful of games in 02?
I won't label Clemens a "failure", but I will label him a "non-success as of right now." If he can improve his accuracy for whatever reason and proves it to me, of course I'll stand up and cheer for him. I rooted for Foley over Vinny in 98 and Vinny over Chad in 02. I got won over after I saw results (Leon Hess would be proud of me).
All this talk about Chad and Kellen misses the point. The NYJs are a laughing stock at the line of scrimmage -- and have been for some time in the NFL. Until the NYJs become regularly dominant on both sides of the line of scrimmage, this team will not be taken seriously by anybody in the league, and NYJ skill players will have their careers blighted by failure and injury. It is important to confront the reality of this situation. Otherwise, we will do better sometimes and do worse in all the others. For the first time in a long time, the NYJ FO and CS seem to really be doing something about the OL and the front 7 on defense. Until these two "infrastructure" units are successfully restructured and are functioning with brutal efficiency, you can forget about everything else. It looks like this CS and FO take the laughter and derision of the NYJ line of scrimmage personnel seriously, unlike earlier versions. I hope so.
There's constructive debate, which I'm all for, in which both parties listen to each other and respond accordingly with substantiated opinions. Then there's destructive argument in which one or more parties see what they want, answer with whatever comes to the top of their heads, then proceed to spew electronic chunks through the keyboard. Apparently I have no patience for the second type of poster.:breakdance:
