The feeling I get from the fans here, is that everybody is happy with the way things have panned out so far. I think I stand alone in being hugely dissapointed.
I'm very happy. One of my first posts on this board was about Gholston. Sick athlete, and despite the talk...it's hard to rack up 14 sacks if you're just standing there all game like Gholston supposedly does. Keller is just pretty kickass as an offensive weapon...having a guy that can move around like that is huge.
Welcome to the Versatility draft. These guys aren't one dimensional. Gholston can play the 3-4 OLB, and when the scheme calls for it, the 4-3 DE. Keller will line up next to a tackle, out in the slot, and shit, why not outside in the red zone causing a mismatch against a 5'10" CB on a jump ball- considering he is 6'3". Not an A, but whatever is in the middle of a B/B+ is what this day one is. We got our playmakers on both sides.
I hope your right about Gholston. Not that hes going to lose sleep over it, but he needs to earn my respect and fans like me, I'm still skeptical and believe that fans have got caught up in the hype machine. Keller, did we really need a TE this high up? AND to trade up as well. James Hardy Trevor Laws Phillip Merling Curtis Lofton Devin Thomas Quentin Groves Limas Sweed Ray Rice There were alot of other needs that we could have filled here, picking a TE at 2 , ugh!
I would have taken those guys as well, but the point is that Keller wasn't on anyone's radar as a playmaker with the TE position tag- even though he can play in the WR slot. Since he not what TGG wanted, and we traded up for him- we hate the pick. The NFL Network likes what we did and i trust them more than ESPN. If Keller was .12 seconds faster on his 40, and listed as a WR, he is an adored pick and we blow Tangini until the season.
If he works out well, I'll gladly eat lashings of humble pie, what irks me is that the CS may be trying to be clever dicks , like they did last year with the Harris pick. I'm pissed off that we have lost yet more picks again, whilst the likes of NE gain more.
Didn't you say last year that Darrelle Revis was going to be useless after his holdout and Jonathan Bender was the Jets best pick of the draft?
Are you stalking me? :wink: Darrelle Revis didn't hold out, it was his agent pulling the strings. I didn't ever say he would be useless, but I did say that he would have alot of catching up to do IF he could at all, and credit to him, did alot better than anyone thought. Erm...its Jacob Bender, and yes I did think he would turn out alright, not the best pick though. What does that all have to do with yesterday?
Whilst it's good to have depth on a team you are overlooking that quality and not quantity wins championships. So what, the Pats have more picks than us. Too many people are worrying about what other teams are doing instead of the Jets Draft. I Like our drafting so far and have faith in Tanna. If I recall you wanted Ryan right? Where does that pick put us? We are stronger than we have been in years and lots of good WR's are still available in the later rounds.
Depth is good , so long as you have quality in the first place. I used the Pats as an example, and yes it doesn't matter what everyone else is doing, but the point I was trying to make is that they have gone about it a better way than we have. They didn't sell their soul and still got a good player whilst aquiring another pick. Yes I did want Ryan amongst others, if the other BIG players were gone, I would have beeen happy to take Ryan, you're happy with CP and KC I take it then? Lots of good WRs left? Who? Hoping for a Colston huh ?:beer:
You have your own opinion and so I but I totally disagree with you on the quantity of picks. How do you rank last years draft? I think most of us would rank it an A if not A+ on this board. They did the exact same thing last yr. Infact, they traded up twice. I was'nt able to watch the second round so I called up my friend to ask him. He told me we drafted some TE while moving back into the first. My initial reaction was that of yours no doubt. But after seeing a few clips of him, I now think it was a great move. The fastest TE in the draft, 6'4, great route running, hands and break tackle skills. Thats almost everything you look in a WR. I think this guy is going to be the next Gonzalez/Gates/Witten. Reach? Maybe but considering Giants were picking next, I think the Jets had a insider info that this was going to them so they pulled the trigger instead of waiting 5,6 more picks. He was considered to be around 40 by most mock drafts. He turned out to be 30. Not bad. Most drafts also had about 3-5 WRs go in the first round. Guess how many went? None. That means no WR was good enough to go in the first. Heck Donnie avery was considered a 3rd round prospect. He was the first WR taken...And Kelly was considered a top 20. He was no.51. You really can't complain after the first 10 picks are gone. Baker will no longer be with the Jets after tomorrow. Or atleast when the season starts. He wanted to be traded, he will get his wish. I hope he gets is by tomorrow and we pick another late 4th or early 5th rounder and then try to move up into the 3rd. There are players out there who will be good. My point is, theres no use if you have 13 draft picks (KC I think) if you dont pick the right guy. I will be happy if we are able to find two great starters in the whole draft that remain a Jet for their career. I would trade the remaining 5 picks to do so aswell. Quality over quantity. I hope Im right about Dustin. 6'4 means a great threat in the end zone. Something we missed when Key Johnson was traded. Something we need instead of the usual fadeaway to Coles. Im happy the Pats did'nt have as good of a draft, taking us one step closer to the AFC East title. Who the heck is Terrence Wheatley?
You're right, its all about opinions, and I respect yours too. The point I'm making is that TE for our second pick???? Are you kidding me?? Now all of a sudden the anti-Baker squad are all going to jump on the Keller bandwagon. I would have prefered to have sorted out Baker one way or the other, (remember we have franks) and drafted another CB or ILB, Quentin Groves??? Its very well ranking last years draft after a seasons football as being A/A+. Without digging up the thread, I think most people voted for a B or a C last year.
Then I hope you rate it a C this yr and maybe we'll end up making an A. Anyways, the FO puts a lot of time and effort into all this. I dont think they started thinking about this in the 10 minutes when the pick was up. Have a look at what he brings to the Jets. A TE who can play WR too. Extremely handy for us. You can say he's our third WR and Franks/Baker do the blocking. Double or even triple TE in the endzone. Imagine, 5 OL, Bubba, Baker, Dustin, QB, Coles and Cotchery in an empty back formation.. Have a look at some of his best moments and you'll know why Im happy about the pick... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO-vS7o0PEs&feature=related
I hated this draft when Atlanta took Ryan, if they took Dorsey it would have put us in position to finally solve the QB issue or give us leverage to add a third good player in the first two rounds. On paper, which means nothing, Miami improved more than we did and Buffalo did as much as we did. I also think the Pats LB is likely to be more productive than Gholston. Something about Gholston that has big bust written all over it. Hope I'm dead wrong on that because we will have a lot tied up in him being a big time player for us. I really like the Steelers draft.
THe NFL is all about creating mismatches on the field. I picture our man Keler late in the 3rd quarter out in the slot with only a LB covering him and he blows by the LB with Kellen hitting him on a 30 yd seam pass.WE need to keep the faith here every onehere and elsewhere was praising Tanfini after going 10-6 in only their 1st year together. Last year it all came crashing down. Let's give these guys some space here to do whar t they do best and that's picking late round bloomers.:martin:
I'm with you. Gholston has the most upside potential of anybody in the draft but he may also be the biggest bust in history. Wasting a 4th round pick to trade up for somebody who isn't a TE, H-back or true receiver was just nonsense. I thought they would take a QB, CB or WR when they made that move. If they were willing to trade back into the first round for that guy, why didn't they trade up to get Long or McFadden?
That will make you right and me wrong then, if that turns you on then . I don't have to watch the video. I couldn't careless how he catches, we didn't need to take TE. Especially one that can't block. TE is not a pressing concern. If you are going to just use him as a big WR, then why not draft a big WR?
Because Long was the #2 pick, and what did we really have to offer Atlanta to jump Oakland from taking McFaddy? Not a whole hell of a lot. They need a QB more than we do, and all we had little to deal with having a short list of picks ourselves. I think it is common sense why we couldn't and shouldn't have traded up. I cannot fault them taking Gholston at 6. It adds to our defense which is a good thing, but I still would not have minded a trade down to pick up some more picks. I'm still scratching my head over the TE selection.. reaching for him and giving up a 4th in the process? For someone that did not seem to be on anyones radar seems odd, but we will see.
The Jets get a B, Gholston might only be a one trick pony, but it is a pretty big trick when he is motivated. I really dis like that AL Davis guy, I watched the whole draft waiting for the jets to trade Gholstone for a later pick and maybe an extra third round.......:sad:
