You are saying that after seeing Kellen everyday in practice, preseason, and offseason camps for 2 years you don't think the Jets know what they have? The fans have only seen the games and preseason so yea the fans have no idea if he is good or not, but if the coaches don't know by now then we have problems.
Very good post. I agree that it's a much different situation but there's more than one way to skin a cat. If the guys that work with him every day don't feel he can be the guy, I'm OK with them going after someone else if presented with the opportunity - even if that means ignoring another position of need for now. Your point is very good though.
I think you have to give the CS / FO the benefit of the doubt that they are sane and reasonable -- not being swayed by the media winds in doing their job. When Chad got that high ankle sprain and the enormity of the OL's failure became clear, it was the smartest thing they could do to give KC some trial-by-fire experience. Everybody already knew that no QB could succeed behind that OL in 07. I believe that it may be a good idea to draft a QB this year, but not until the mid-rounds. This competition will be good for the QBs and good for the team...regardless of who wins in the collective opinion of the CS. Ryan is spending far too much on what will undoubtedly be the three-years-off future, in my opinion. Also, I am sure that the CS / FO do not think there will be a good QB available in the next three years.
Haha..another gem of a response. You really can't think of one valid point to your side of the argument, can you? Not a single one. Bottom line is he sucked after 1 1/2 seasons of preparation and the Jets are probably going to draft a QB in the first 2 rounds because he does.
ok lemme ask you this, what did tom brady, big ben, chad, and carson palmer have in common when they made their first starts.... i believe it is called talent around them..yea All four had good lines and skilled receivers...tom brady might be the only exception because as much as i hate him, he is a great qb.. kellen never got the benefit of having talent around when he started...three times as i can remember..our receivers dropped crucial balls in the baltimore game and redskins game(l.coles and mcfaggot in balt. n cotch on third or fourth down against wash.) this offseason was obviously devoted to getting kellen talent around him to compete....offense and defense....will he be a hall of famer...no, will he have a great career here...yes i really think he will....he has all the tools and intangibles...he just needs talent around him.... what we need next is a burner receiver like when we had moss so we can take full advantage of Kellens arm.... its very nieve to say hes the worst qb in the league because he was on one of the least offensive talented teams in the league... philip rivers is a worst qb because he has a amazing amount of talent on his ENTIRE team...and he still cant play at a high level...put kellen on that team or chad and they both do a lot better... dont give up on kellen after half a season...and he won more games with this half ass team then chad did...
I don't give this CS/FO any benefit of the doubt after watching the Jet's offensive and defensive lines last year. You win on the line of scrimmage in the NFL. How the Jet's brass collectively put together the worst offensive and defensive lines to take the field in the same season in at least two decades is beyond me. The Jets last season were like an NBA team with a 6'8" center. Good luck with that and BTW how the hell did the coach and GM not know they had a shorty at the key position in the game?
refute my statement rather then discrediting it....Don, you really haven't got a clue. Stop posting so damn much, your wasting valuable space and time on this board with your lack of knowledge.... If the Jets draft Ryan, it will be at 6, and it will be because he is the BPA. That means, McFadden, Gholston, Long are all gone...Capice?
*Sniff* *Sniff* Anyone smell smoke? Does anyone really believe that a source close to the Jets, with an interest in the Jets' success, would release this information surreptitiously a few days before the draft? It's gamesmanship. Try to scare Atlanta into taking Matt Ryan off the board. As far as Clemens is concerned, I attended a Pac 10 school, live on the West Coast, and watch a lot of Pac 10 football. When he was healthy, I thought he was a better QB than Leinart. It seems to me he tried last season to overthink every play to compensate for the deficiencies in the offense. I didn't get the sense that he felt comfortable with the playcalling, either. Give him an entire off season with the first team to build his comfort, give him a new playbook (in other words, the game playbook, weeded down from the PB they learn in the OS), and see what he can do with decent time in the pocket and a system tailored to him. Of course they're not confident in his play on the field after last season. They have questions, but they haven't really had a chance to answer them yet.
you win on the line of scrimmage at any level...pop warner, high school, college, Canadian, European football...just throwin it out there but you definitely speak the truth my friend:grin:
never believe any rumors the week leading up to the draft. The Jets want Long/Gholston/ or a trade back to get the best CB or OLB available. They will also go with WR in the 2nd likely. I just love how bent out of shape everyone gets when reading all this crap....they swallow it like it contains protein and cancer preventing nutrients.
Quote: "...I don't give this CS/FO any benefit of the doubt after watching the Jet's offensive and defensive lines last year. You win on the line of scrimmage in the NFL. How the Jet's brass collectively put together the worst offensive and defensive lines to take the field in the same season in at least two decades is beyond me...." I think this is also a grave question. Is this supposed to be Tony Wise's fault? I mean, he's the one who is gone, and the replacement, Callahan, has actually had his coaching title inflated above and beyond that of Tony Wise's. If it is Tony Wise's fault, then the offensive line was too many steps removed from the so-called Mangini "brain trust" that keeps track of quality control. Nobody knew the disaster in time? When everybody found out after the first or second game last year, was there nobody who knew what to do about it? This "grave lapse" in the most important foundation of the team, is exactly why I have tried to focus a lot of my comments on the careful and sustained rebuilding of the OL cast of characters and their radical retooling by highly competent coaches they believe in. The difference between what we need coming out of the OL and what we got coming out of OL was the difference between night and day. You can't work too hard to make sure this never happens again. The NFL had no respect for the NYJs at the line of scrimmage last year, once again. That just can't happen.
hmm..you don't draft a QB and spend 40 million dollars or more on them if you have your QB for the next 10 years already on board. capice? Maybe you need a break. The draft seems to have clouded your reality. And nobody drafts the BPA anymore in the first round unless they also fit your biggest need. Or haven't you noticed that?
Reggie Bush - Saints ( Duece) Calvin Johnson - Lions ( Roy Williams, Mike Furrey) scratching the surface... btw, your first statement was confusing. What the hell are you referring to?
Bullseye. That would have counted as two in a row if only you had said," Everybody who knows anything about football already knows that no QB could succeed behind that OL in 07. I agree. Flacco will most like be gone way before then but Josh Johnson should be available and he could be an amazing fit for us. There is no way the FO broke the bank this offseason with the hope that Clemens will be ready this year, much less a not-ready-for-prime-time prospect like Ryan. In fact, there are only three scenarios under which Clemens will be the starter this year: 1. He clearly outperforms Pennington in TC, 2. Pennington is injured, or 3. the OL still ends up sucking due to injuries and/or poor performances. I'm just not buying the Jets taking Matt Ryan at the sixth spot smokescreen because he's not worth the price, he's not the BPA at that spot and because we still have more pressing needs.
What kind of an argument is that? Pennington won 1 game behind that line, with Coles and Cotchery healthy. Clemens won 3 games behind that line, with Coles and Cotchery often injured.
Please, enough of this already about OTHER qb's who had terrible seasons their first season as starter and then went on to super bowls and the hall of fame. Kellen Clemens is Kellen Clemens, not some other qb in the past. According to your argument, the Jets could put me in at qb and I would suck my first year and you would say "its only his 1st year, other qb's have turned it around after a bad first season." Its ludicrous to keep making that argument so stop already.
yea penny did play behind that line and went 1-6 Clemens went 3-3 alot better. Now im not sold on Clemens, but its better than starting this whole process again. If Clemens is a disaster still in week 10 then we can start talking about his replacement.
I'm not going to stop making that argument until people stop pointing at his single season, his first season as a starter in the NFL, and saying that guarantees that he's a bad prospect who will never make it. Gotta have some balance here and if people want to point at Clemens record last year and say he'll never make it I feel perfectly justified in pointing at Terry Bradshaw who had two much worse seasons in a row and saying Clemens still has a chance to be good. And BTW, using yourself as an example is really ludicrous. That takes a reasonable argument and turns it on it's head by injecting absurdity.
