What is it about Matt Ryan...?

Matt Ryan is a tough call for me. I like him as a prospect, I think he has the potential to be a very good starting Quarterback in the NFL, but I don't really see him as a star. What really carries him are the intangible qualities he has, I'm not sure if he's got the physical tools to really be called a lock top ten, surefire QB. The thing about that is that we rarely see those types of guys, so it's justifiable that Ryan, who I'd consider a notch below that could make it it. I think a great fit for him would be with the Ravens or the Panthers, veteran teams that could use a kid that can lead the team early on in his career. Still, I could potentially see him go as high as #3 just because of need.

When it comes to the Jets, I think we're all just jaded by the theory of weak armed QBs. Many fans put over-the-top false criticism on guys who have average to above average NFL arms because they get some critiques in the media. It happens with a guy like Ryan, happened with Matt Leinart, and will continue to happen until the Jets land a franchise QB.

 

i'm not really sure that ryan is such a bad prospect. i think it's more that he is'nt heads above the rest of the crop. with the cost of paying a top 5 or 6 qb, the return on investment just does'nt add up. i myself would rather take a flacco, in round 2, and save millions in the process. he'd still have to be developed, as would ryan.plus i think he's got more going for him. he's a big guy, with a big arm.i see him as a better prospect.
if you read what the scouts are saying about ryan, it's sounds a lot like pennington. so so arm strength, good decision making, etc. i'm not jumping for joy over this guy.

 

I feel the same way. I don't think ryan is bad prospect, but he lacks the "wow" factor of many other former high picks at QB. His arm strength is an issue. After putting up with Chad many of us are leary of a QB with an "average" arm.

If the Longs and Gholston are gone, it would not bother me to see Ryan as the pick.

 

It's just a bad QB class.

 

I would have absolutely nothing against a Ryan pick. He took a mediocre-to-bad BC team this year and put them on his back to lead them to a god season. That's not a quality that you can groom in a QB. His arm strength is only slightly above average, and as mentioned above after Penny, anything less than great arm strength seems to be frowned upon by Jets fans. It's understandable, but you can't let that get in your way; Ryan can still throw the ball.

I think worst case scenario, Ryan turns into Pennington BEFORE the shoulder surgeries. You know, when he was our savior in '02. I still don't think that's a bad thing at all. He's got the love of the game and work ethic that tells me he will do everything in his power to be the best QB he can be, and that's something you need in a franchise QB and a team leader.

He's not the best QB prospect to come out in recent years, but value-wise he's probably worth any pick between 5 and 10, thus putting us right in range to get good value if we pick him. If we don't have confidence in Clemens, he should be the pick if he's there.

 

Its not that I dislike Ryan, it's the fact that I have high hopes for KC. Ryan has really good size and leadership, but I just want to see what KC can bring this team with a good line in front of him.

 

Well the biggest question in regards to his arm is how his deep ball tends to flutter which leads to interceptions on these throws. It's not a huge deal IMO and could even just be a grip issue that could be fixed with a good QB coach, but it's still notable. Regardless, he's shown to have all the arm strength you need for short to mid range throws, which is fine with me.

 

His arm is graded from average to above-average... so fuck the experts if they can't decide what his arm strength is.

His leadership and pure winner aura are two things that make QBs in this league, and he has that. Your Field General is your QB, not your Center, WR, or RB. QB takes charge on the field, thats what this kid is. He will make the other players want to play harder and to win for him. Thats not what Chad or Clemens will bring to the table. Right now, i feel that the offense is thinking "ugh, who do we have to follow this year?"-- believe me that goes through the head of the players, it goes through ours.

That may be the sentiment if we bring in a kid this year. "Another QB? Jesus who else?" Understandable, but when this kid gets into the huddle, it will be a different story.

I can see Ryan taking control of the huddle better than Chad or Kellen right now. In terms of playing ability, he may need to sit one year before he starts, which gives Kellen this season to state a case for starter.

I don't want Mangini to be remembered as the good coach without the QB.

 

Bingo. If Clemens works out, you can trade Ryan for picks in a few years. If not, Ryan's ready to take over in '09.

 

I don't understand the Matt Ryan hatred either. And it really does seem to be hatred. Talk to Falcons fans...they absolutely dread the thought of picking this kid, whether at 3 or anywhere.

I could see if Matt had character issues...had gone to Notre Dame or USC (big school that generates some animosity)...or had a highly irritating personality...I could see him being a player that the average fan doesn't like. He doesn't fit any of those categories.

I understand not everyone thinks Matt is a great QB and prospect, but the level of disdain is almost personal.

 

QFT.

He has alot of good qualities...ALOT of them actually...but he's going to have to be coached up more than your average top 10 QB...and thats just not cool with me. Thats why I wouldn't touch a Vince Yong/Mike Vick type athlete with a high pick unless his passing game is more refined (or as refined) as his running ability.

I do think that any QB can be great if a team is smart in developing him. They're kind of like the children of the franchise, and if they're raised right and given the chance and the pieces to succeed they leave a beloved figure for the franchise.

Still, I don't think he's a Jay Cutler type prospect, and Cutler is the only QB I've really fallen in love with during draft period since this regime came in.

 

For starters there really is no reason to think he will have a better NFL career than Clemens.

In his first season, Eli Manning had a season incredibly similar to Kellen. But they stuck with him and he won the Super Bowl. We need to stick with Clemens. Some analysts felt Clemens was the best QB prospect in a QB rich draft. Most thought barring the injury he would have been a mid first rounder. Ryan is getting extra hype because he is the best (supposedly) of a weak QB class. Stay the course with Clemens and fix another hole.

 

Because when you spend a top 10 pick, you're looking for a big, strong, mobile leader with a big arm. Ryan is above average across the board, except maybe in mobility, and you'd like to see great numbers out of a guy who doesn't have one particular quality that stands out. He's a lot like a Chad Pennington coming out of college, with a bigger arm and more interceptions.

 

I don't think with Jets fans it's a matter of hatred, as JMart said, most jets fans don't want to give up on Clemens without a fair trial. This is a do or die camp for Clemens.

if they take Ryan at #6, that means the Clemens era is over. your not going to draft a QB at 6 to have him "compete" for a job. He is going to be groomed by the vet.

Clemens deserves a chance to see if he is NFL starting quality.

Ryan while a nice QB prospect, is far from a "Blue Chip" can't miss kind of guy. It is a weak QB class.

Fans are very reluctant to give up an early pick in the draft on a guy they aren't sure of.

 

Will next year's be good? Who will come out that merits a first round pick?

I looked at Ryan's highlights (which aren't bad at all) and he reminds me of no one in particular. Who do they compare him to? What is his upside? Is it arm strength, accuracy? What exactly makes this guy first round worthy?

 

His comparison is Matt Hasselbeck across the board.

I'll take a Matt Hasselbeck, considering he went to the SB with no WR of note. Good leader in the huddle and has put his team in positions to win- I usually see Seattle winning by a FG on ESPN, and it was Hasselbeck's leadership that gets them there.

 

Here is the ONE scenario where the Jets would take Matt Ryan:

If Chris Long, Jake Long, Vernon Gholston, Darren McFadden and Glenn Dorsey all go in the top 5, then the New York Jets will more than likely attempt to get out of that pick...if not...they will probably take Matt Ryan.

 

I just read this morning where there is some thought that Ryan could be a long term hold out no matter where he is drafted. That may be why people are skeptical of him. There was no explanation as to why. Maybe he or his agent thinks he is worth Russell money because he will be the first QB taken this year.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/583629.html

"They can’t afford to draft a young quarterback like Ryan with the offensive line in shambles (anyway, Ryan will likely hold out for a long time; the Chiefs don’t need those headaches right now)."