There is probably as much chance of Rogers-Cromartie being taken with the number 6 ick as there is I will. So it really isn't anything to worry about.
If the Jets can't trade out of their original spot at six, in no specific order, I'd rather draft ANY of these players before Rodgers-Cromartie: Branden Albert, Matt Ryan, Keith Rivers, Derrick Harvey, or Rashard Mendenhall
Yes Cromartie does get alot of pub because of his last name but i liked and knew about Cromartie from last year i didnt find out until i think January that he was actually Antonios cousin.I have consistently wanted Cromartie for along time though when he was considered a mid rounder all up till now. Workout warrior is a term used for someone who has incredible measurables i consider Vernon Davis and Mario Williams to be workout warriors but it doesnt necessarily mean that they are not great "football" players. When i saw Ohio State games Laurenitis and Malcolm Jenkins greatly impressed me Gholston did not. Yeah he made a couple of plays here and there but he wasnt consistently around the ball like he should be. When multiple scouts say hey he dissapears in games i have to take their word for it they have access to all of the film way more then u and me.Why would they say that he dissapears in games, yeah i know that its impossible to dominate every game, every snap but why would they single out him and say that he dissapears in games, wnen they dont say that about anybody else. They fact that u say that DRC is mediocre in college, when people have been talking about him for over a year know and he is considered a top 10 prospect is is just ignorant. I never siad Gholston wouldnt be great i just said i rather have Cromartie because i believe we can a prsopect like Gholston or better later in the drfat with Groves. Who i think is an equal , faster version of Gholston
At least your smart enough not to fall in the trap. McElvin is also a 1-AA corner with superior return skills. I like Albert and Harvey, but would rather have a corner than any of the others. Just a much better value cap wise and fits our biggest need defensively.
Wow, this shows how much you know... McKelvin isn't a I-AA corner. He played for Troy, which is in the Sun Belt. He plays against inferior talent in the worst mid-major conference, but Troy is usually pretty damn good and they hold their own against big schools. The Trojans beat Oklahoma State, lost to Georgia by 10. That "inferior talent" in the Sun Belt that I was just talking about is much worse than the players Rodgers-Cromartie faces at TSU. I don't fall into the traps. However, I don't know if you can say the same. You're digging the hole for me, but I'm still burying you.
Who says we can get him later? Why wouldn't we just pick him at 6 if he's the better player? Because of what...pre-draft mocks or whatever? Media hype?
Just like people told Rodgers-Cromartie he wasn't talented enough to play college football at a high level. I'll say it again, and again: He wasn't dominant in I-AA. He made the All-American team because of his special teams play (only averaged 4 yards a punt return, but he blocked some kicks and is a solid kick returner), and his great athleticism. He is excellent when he has the ball in his hands, but he's not a receiver. He doesn't like to hit...so he's no help in run support. DRC = AFRAID OF CONTACT. If this kid's not a workout warrior, then why isn't every other defensive back from the I-AA All-American team being looked at. DRC is overhyped because of his speed, and height. Bobbie Williams, DB from Bethune Cookman, and twice as many tackles with 77 and twice as many picks with 6. He runs a 4.47. We should take this kid at 6, he's a stud...in I-AA. We could also take Corey Lynch, App State's defensive golden boy. Lynch runs a 4.52, and he had 85 tackles, 5 INTs, and 3 blocks (...one is probably the best of all time). Why aren't we talking about these guys more?!? I know, because they didn't go to the combine and they weren't invited to pointless All-Star games. DRC = NOT EVEN THE BEST IN I-AA. I like Leodis McKevlin much more. He is a better return man, a better tackler, and he did it against much better talent for his entire career, he didn't just shine in a couple workouts and in an All-Star game. He deserves to go in the top 10 much more than Rodgers-Cromartie. DRC = CAN'T HOLD MCKEVLIN'S JOCK. I'd take Antoine Cason over this guy. He played against great receivers in the Pac-10, and he was great during all four of the years he started for Arizona. DRC = ONE WEEK WONDER. You don't take a sleeper with a top 10 pick. You take the guy that you know will help you out the most. DRC = SLEEPER. DRC isn't a solid punt returner, but he runs an awesome 40...so it balances itself out. DRC doesn't provide much run support, but he made a few nice plays at the Senior Bowl...so it doesn't matter. DRC wasn't feared by I-AA coaches, but he has great height...so he's automatically a shutdown corner. DRC has potential, and intangibles, but he's frail and inexperienced...He doesn't deserve it like Cason, McKevlin, Jenkins, or Talib.
To be fair, one of the positions that's talked about a lot that isn't that deep or even that great this year are the WR's. How hard is it to look good against a sub-par group of receivers. I'm not saying the guy isn't good, but keep in mind who he was going up against in that senior bowl.
Ok, I'll play. Just as easy as it is to sack a subpar QB that only has subpar WRs to throw to. Two words - coverage sacks
You ignored my previous post, so I'll say it again, this time with more emotion, what the hell are you talking about? Like seriously, do you even know? I'll have to go piece by piece to correct all the stuff you got wrong. 1. I don't know why you'd compare DRC's stats to Bobbie Williams, considering Williams played safety. I'd assume that a safety would have more tackles and even INT chances than a shut down CB. Lynch is a safety too. When we start rating corners by amount of tackles they had in college, then we can talk here. I really haven't the slightest clue where you're getting this idea that Cromartie wasn't great at TSU. There are lot, A LOT of BCS washouts that end up in FCS, many of them very gifted athletically, but few if any make it near what DRC has. You have to just flat be getting bad information from somewhere if you actually believe this to be true. And don't say it's because of the name, because I'm fairly sure that Dominique himself didn't even know they were related until this some time season. 2. Cromartie had 18 pass breakups over his last 2 seasons, along with 8 picks. That implies some serious ball skills, backed up by what we saw at the senior bowl and what scouts saw in practices. 3. Cromartie made the All American team because of what he did as a Cornerback. You see, they have a slot for each position, then they have one for return specialists. If DRC was decidedly mediocre like you seem to believe, then I'd expect him to be selected as a return specialist and, again, not as a corner. He was also on the preseason AA list, as a corner. 4. Perhaps I'm wrong, though, as you seem to think he was a bad returner as well. Got to love how you threw out his menial 4 ypr on punts, without saying that he only returned 4 punts all season. 5. Cromartie's performance at the Senior Bowl was not the reason for his rise to the top of the draft boards, but it was a contributing factor in how it justified the positive opinions that many had only previously heard about. We heard he was a ballhawk with great overall ball skills, he proved it, we heard he was lightning fast, again, he proved it. Hell, we'd heard that he wasn't the most physical player, and he showed not only an ability to be physical, but a willingness as well. 6. When it comes down to it, it's a corner with 44 games of college experience, and the athletic tools to be one of the best cornerbacks in football. McKelvin's got a lot going for him as well, but when it comes to the NFL, DRC has the advantage in size, leaping/athletic ability, ball skills, and closing speed. Say all you want about how Troy's schedule wasn't nearly as bad as that of a FBC team, but unless you're pointing at his clear show of dominance against in any of these games against top opponents, it doesn't matter. 7. And about the line saying you don't take sleepers in the top ten, in my mind, I don't see how a 6-1, 4.3 corner wouldn't be the player that would help me out the most.
Thats serious pwnage right there... Sub-part group? WR is actually one of the deeper positions in the class. Just because theres no Calvin/Andre Johnson doesn't mean there isn't some good talent.
1. Do you want to rate corners by tackles? DRC had 37 tackles. McKevlin had 60. Cason had 71. Talib had 66. We can also compare his pass breakups to other I-A corners. Mike Jenkins had 27, and Aqib Talib had 35 over the past two seasons. Talib and Flowers had 18+ in one season. 2. Del Roberts of Southern University tore DRC apart. Jeff Ehrhardt, the criminal Murray State quarterback picked on DRC all game throwing to an open Josh Jones over, and over again. DRC did get the best of Ehrhardt on one play though taking a INT 71 yards for a score. He's gifted, but he's not a shutdown corner. He gambles way too much. 3. He's not physical. Oh, wait...he jarred the ball lose on a wideouts attempt to catch a high pass. He's still a major liability against the run. 4. You are basing everything on his measurables and workouts. Just because he's 6'1 and runs a 4.3 doesn't mean he'll be a shutdown corner. 5. It's FCS, not FBS...and there is a huge difference in style of play. You're telling me that all of these SUPER TALENTED transfers that don't make it at bigtime programs go to small FCS schools and don't succeed, right? You're proving my point for me. Just because you're incredibly talented, and you have great measurables doesn't mean you'll be a great football player...at any level. 6. Finally, I-AA All-America took his special teams play into account when voting him in. They recognized his blocked FGs and punts, but most importantly his TDs. I see DRC as the next Chris Gamble. A poor man's Chris Gamble. I have an answer for everything.
1. You just said pwnage. 2. I agree with you about the receiving class being deep, but there aren't any guys that are worthy of being drafted in the Top 15.
You may have an answer, but if it's a bad one, then it really doesn't matter. I was mocking you in that first part for comparing cornerbacks by amount of tackles they had. Also, your ability to look at season results and pick out certain stats is amazing, however that tends to be a bad way to evaluate players. This is especially pointless when you're trying to make an argument against his selection to the All American team. His work in the senior bowl was much more than the one or two highlights of him knocking passes away after closing on wideouts. He was always around the football on run plays to the outside, and contributed in on many more tackles than he was given credit for. He even lined up at safety in some spots and came up into the box to try and make some plays. I'm not basing it solely on measurables, I'm basing on how impressive his physical abilities are on the field, which are completely backed up by his measurables. Like I said before, leaping/athletic ability and closing speed, two things that the best cornerbacks excel at. Add in size and ball skills? We're talking about a unique opportunity here. You're right that great talent and measurables don't guarantee a great player, but it's one hell of a start. When it comes to the BCS guys going down and not doing well, we're in agreement, it's just that you still somehow aren't understanding that DRC was a great player. As for making the All FCS team, what you said really didn't make much sense. Did the blocks come into play? Yes, they were great defensive plays. Did the 2 DEFENSIVE touchdowns factor in too? I'd certainly hope so... You know what they also factored in? How good he is.
Blocking kicks and punts aren't defensive plays. This guy is a defensive version of Ted Ginn Jr. Anybody can dive on the pile. He can't bring down running backs by himself.
