Yeah, and the fact the OC called the same damn play about 4 times in a row, plus Coles fell down on the play. I guess the INT Clemens threw in the Dallas game doesn't count since they were getting blown out anyway.
Yeah thing with Clemens was that he would never put the in a position where he would have to lead a come from behind game winning TD drive.
You do know that he was the comeback player of the year in 2006. His injuries have slowed only to the extent where he might not be a pro bowler, but he still has his own touch. Its been said over and over in this thread alone...OL sucked, so did QB, so did TJ. This yr will be a different story. The upside to his relatively weaker arm is, he completes short passes unlike most of the QBs. Thats not his style of the game. Thats the scheme BS runs...a West Coast offense where short passes are the key. CP fits right into that role. Remember, he had Randy Moss as his target in his college yrs. Whoever had Moss as a WR, was probably not running a horizontal passing attack...rather a vertical passing attack. Point is, its not his arm, its the scheme. His arm is weaker than alot of QBs, but the scheme makes it look worse. He has attempted long passes and has completed passes that travelled 60+ yards in the air alone. That was only after the two surgeries he got. If a QB can throw 40+ yards passes, but doesnt get to, its not his fault. Plus, for a WR to run his route and go 40yards down the stretch, the QB needs about 5-7 seconds in the pocket. We were getting about 3-4 seconds...
He can't throw 40 yard passes without a fully open lane and a pretty wide open reciever. That's why his entire game is based on play action with a pre-designed check down. Hermdinger took out the check down and Chad was kicked around like a rag doll. He can't get the ball down the field in a tight space or outside the hash marks in a tight space. He needs a timing pattern or a wide open reciever because NFL CB's are going to close on his mid range passes.
Whats the NFL percentage of long passes over 40 yds completed? maybe 25 %..its those 20 -25 yd outs and zip line mid range passes that matter.
Very few passes are completed over 40 yards but a football field doesn't only have length it has width. The field is over 50 yards wide and plays start between the hash marks. Very often a 10 yard forward pass starts 5 to 7 yards behind the line of scrimage and has to go across the field 10 to 15 yards. A 10 yard pass migh very well have to travel 30 yards to hit it's target. You also have to consider that the ability to throw a pass across the field into space requires more velocity because it allows the DB more clossing time. There is also more general inteference on a medium pass across a field do to traffic. That becomes more of a problem the less a team opens the field up both across or spread and down the field. The less a team worries about the ability to cross the field the more they can bunch the center of the field and take away lanes down the center of the field. What a good arm with the ability to throw on the move or while not being perfectly set or being bumped is the ability to spot and throw into a tight spot. This spreads the D and makes it cover more field and opens up more lanes to attack both running and throwing the football.
I think you'll find that Chad's accuracy is quite good on both long and short passes. It's certainly higher than Kellen's at this time. But Kellen's body of work is still too slight to matter in a comparison like this. Still, if you compare Chad's accuracy downfield to other people, it's been pretty impressive. Apparently, the reasoning behind why he worked with VT to change his throwing motion to absolutely over-the-top had to do with two considerations: (1) better accuracy and (2) fewer tipped balls at the line of scrimmage. I do think that this over-the-top technique slows down the delivery a bit and requires more time from the OL. Of course, when the OL is averaging anywhere from 1.5 seconds (QB hit on his initial drop back) to 3.5 seconds (QB hits drop back and gets one look see before he throws or gets hit), throwing techniques are problematic. Even with his quicker release, Kellen rarely had time to get set before he had to throw and then run for his life, or vice versa. And it didn't matter how quick his release was when Seymour hit him in the middle of his drop back on the second play of the second Pats game. No question though that Kellen has a stronger arm than Chad. No question that Chad is more accurate than most QBs when given the chance to set and throw. I believe that Kellen will catch up to Chad -- if not this year, then next -- and become the starter, it's inevitable unless for some reason he quits football, in my opinion.
That fact that he can't do it more than a few times in a season (consistently) is part of what makes his arm lousy.
Quote: "...That fact that he can't do it more than a few times in a season (consistently) is part of what makes his arm lousy...." Oh, now there's another brazen opinion foisted upon us without any evidence. Let's go to the Video! Show us the money of your bet!
Do I really need to post video of games that every one of us has seen? If you can't tell, then the deficiency is yours. I once thought like you, in terms of excuses and stats. I got tired of fooling myself.
By the way, I didn't post these video links -- it was Jets n Boys. But in this link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ch&plindex= 1 There is a great pass down field (crisp) to Coles at 1:21 at the video. There is also an incidence of No. 20 trying to jump a short in route on Chad, only to have Coles dart out of his inside fake and go downfield where he catchs a beaut over the shoulder at 3:14 of the video. In 06 the defenses appear to be a LITTLE more frightened of our run / play-action than they were in 07. I think that the DCs in the NFL we were going to play in 07 realized after the first or second game that we were not going to run the ball well, so they didn't need to respect our play-action so much. By the end of the games, NYJ play-action was ignored completely. BS couldn't adjust well to his offense being thwarted because there was not enough time to get the WRs downfield or to clear the decks for th RBs.
