No, he doesn't. He has 4 pitches, all plus. And his fastball, at WORST, is like Mussina's fastball when Mussina is in his prime. He regularly sits 92-94, but last night since it was his first start and cold, it was more 90-91.
He may well be. I'm just saying, let's not forget that a young pitcher like Hughes may not hit his ceiling, but may still end up being a very, very good pitcher. But don't forget, it wasn't Hughes for Santana straight up. It was also for Melky (who may be the LFer of the future), and two more prospects. Also, Jon Heyman said the Twins really wanted Hughes, Kennedy, Melky and a minor leaguer like Jeff Marquez (potentially 4-5). That's why discussions never went as far as the media reported. http://www.baseballamerica.com/help/faq.html#opt
how do his 4 pitches rank from 1-4...whats his best, whats his worst. according to the reports I mean
I don't know whether Torre is or isn't sick. Kay was referring to Girardi though. Kay is probably my least favorite sportscaster whose last name is not Morgan or Miller. Worse than McCarver or Buck. He's totally devoid of talent. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I would just be really upset if Hughes didn't get to his ceiling. Obviously Melky is going to be a fixture in the outfield for many years. Kennedy will be at the very least a capable back-end starter, and Hughes even not hitting his ceiling would still be a good #2/elite #3. I don't know much about Marquez, save for what I've read here, but anything on top of the big three above is too much anyway. I didn't disagree with the lack of trade then, and I don't now. I just want to see more out of the guys we held on to. (Well, actually only Kennedy, and it was still only one game.) Okay, so there isn't much to the process. So I guess Hawkins' three trips are already used up?
According to his entry in Wikipedia: a 93-95 mph four-seam fastball a 87-90 mph two-seam fastball a low 70's knuckle curveball (or spike curveball) a developing changeup in the low to mid-80s. a hard slider (a "situation pitch," which he used less in 2006 than he had previously). His fastball has a lot of movement on it. So that's a plus pitch, and probably his #1. I thought his slider looked nasty, and if that's how he'll throw it consistently, I'd give that a plus, and say it could be his #2. His curve would probably be the #2 otherwise. And his changeup is a little better than "developing" IMO at this point.
4 seam FB and curveball are 1-2. The others (slider, change, 2 seam) could go in any order, it will depend on how they develop this year. Right now, his 2 seam is the most advanced. He hasn't thrown the slider as much to reduce wear and tear on his arm, and his change has great potential but needs a little refinement.
thanks dude...I watch almost all of the game the other night but the ranger game got in the way a bit, I dont recall seeing a slider or a change..Ill have to look for it
It would have been a better night if the game was rained out. Who was it here that said Hawkins was going to be the answer? That move puts Cashman back at ground 0. I'de like to see how Vizcaino is doing but I forget where he ended up.
Vizcaino has a 27.00 ERA and 6.00 WHIP in 2 appearences. Atleast Hawkins has a 1 year contract to Vizcaino's 3, and the Yankees got a draft pick.
Oh well, similar then. I think Hawkins era is 31+ after last night. There must have been somebody out there better then what we got.
ummm I think, I think Cappy was defending Hawkins against me. I cannot be sure so I apologize Cappy if Im wrong. But I do recall some sort of hawkins defending from the Cappy. Top tp bottom, our pitching is average and its not going to be enough this year. I think we all know that. And I know Ive said that like 9 times in 3 days so I will stop I promise. And of course I hope I have a gigantic egg on my face when the year is over. Now that being said, does anyone else smell a big fat mediocre start from Pettitte today?
I think Ohlendorf looks good but he may be on an innings count like Joba is. If Sanchez gets back in May as expected he may be the wild card in all of this. He started the season on only the 15 day DL list which must mean he is close. He is suppose to have terrific stuff and was Detroit's best young arm when we got him in the Sheffield deal. Still, our hitting absolutely sucks right now with the exception of maybe Abreu. We need the bats to get going, it's not even cold anymore.
The hitting will come around. except for Dmon, I think he may suck moose balls this year. Im still not anywhere close to being sold on our starting rotation
I'm not either. Mussina is total garbage. I think Wang will get his 17-19 wins again if his first start is any indication. Pettite hopefully will get 15 as will Hughes. Kennedy, I'm afraid may not be very good. He looks too much like Mussina even in his windup. Another one I can't stand watching. I'm not even sure Chamberlain will be anywhere near as good a starter as he is a setup guy. He can't just rear back and throw those fastballs and sliders for 6 or 7 innings. Harden will become available at the trade deadline. I wonder what it will take to get him.
Id rather take the losses this year and sign Sabathia over the off season so we dont have to give up any young stars for harden....
Sabathia worries me. He never looks in shape and the Yankees certainly had no trouble hitting him. I'm not sure any AL East team would. His success comes from the division he plays in.
Just out of curiosity, do we get to look forward to you saying this after EVERY loss of the season? Because even the best of teams lose around sixty games per year. Honestly. And Gomes is an idiot.
I "defended" the Hawkins move, not Hawkins himself as an awesome reliever or anything. A one-year deal for a veteran middle reliever who may or may not be serviceable, with a draft pick compensation for giving up Viz, was a far better move than re-signing Vizcaino. Middle relievers are notoriously fickle from year to year. You couldn't count on Vizcaino any more than you could count on Hawkins. You take the lower-risk move (one year) and the draft pick every time. If Hawkins pitches well... that's fantastic. If not, oh well... the Yanks can just call up any of their pitchers who are doing well in Scranton/Trenton. And if he's just serviceable through June/July, the Yanks can look forward to Sanchez or Melancon coming up to help with the pen. But let's also not write Hawkins off on April 5th, either. I sincerely doubt that Ohlendorf has an innings limit. He's 25, and has had three-plus years of professional ball (not including college) to build up his arm strength for a season. (And slowly building up arm strength and increasing innings year over year is the reason behind the innings limits, of course.) Not to mention that he was a starter. Ohlendorf had 180+ innings in 2006. Last year, they transitioned him to the pen. He should be all set to go as much as they need him. In a Torre-free world, that should be 70 appearances or so. Chamberlain, as a starter in the minors, consistently maintained velocities around 96-97 in the sixth and seventh innings. And why would you want him just throwing those fastballs and sliders when his curve is considered a plus pitch and his changeup above average?
