no one knows what tangine, jerry jones, parcells, etc. have up their sleeves for draft day but we all can speculate. there is really no one that is top-6 talent that fits our team too well (minus gholston) and assuming jerry jones isn't bluffing in saying he wont trade up for DMC, how would you feel about trading down for picks in the 1st-2nd but losing alot of value in doing so. I don't know much about the pick values or if its even feasible to do so but i'm just looking for a general opinion on a hypothetical situation here. The talent in the late 1st through early 3rd rounds is incredibly deep and i feel that we can pick up some very good players for cheap, so much so that it might even be worth it to lose value trading out of #6. My opinion is that i would do it, i'd rather not reach for someone at 6 and sign him to top-10 money when there is so much talent later on
Yeah I think financially it makes more sense to do this to since I feel, despite the talent, our biggest need now is Wide Receiver so technically trading down would make more sense. Plus In terms of value talent wise maybe but for our needs a first rounder is a first rounder who is a potential stud
You would be laughed out of the NFL if you did that. It's almost as ridiculous as delaying your bid when you are on the clock. It just won't happen, shouldn't happen and can't happen. Not is you value your job anyway. Also, you are totally wrong on your talent evaluation. Both Longs, McFadden and Gholston fit our team perfectly. A case can even be made for Ryan but I wouldn't want him at #6.
Wait...what are you saying we trade from 6 to 22 and then pick up there second rounder also. AYFKM. Give up that much value would be ridiculous no way.
no what i'm saying is trading for maybe a first and 2 seconds. I don't even know if that is possible with the teams and their current picks right now but i'm just seeing what the reaction would be for that. Truthfully in this draft and with our needs i'd rather 3 or 4 b+/a- talents at positions of need than one A/A+ talent at a different position
Actually, getting a 9-15 1st and 2nd rounder while possibly either throwing in a fourth or getting one (depending on which end of the spectrum) wouldn't be a bad thing.
I agree with this. If McFadden, Gholston, and Long(both) are off the board I wouldnt mind trading back to the high teens if it means we pick up and additional 2nd or more. It would help us financially and make it so we wouldn't have to reach for a player with our 6th pick. This means we can take the best WR, CB, S, OLB available and pick up more players in the process. This draft is real deep. The middle of the 2nd round all the way to round 4 have many players that can make an impact.
I disagree about the team fit part, but if Gholston, the Longs and McFadden are gone, trading down is the way to go. Too many people put too much emphasis on a pick value chart that IMO no longer accurately reflects the true value of a top 10 pick considering the financial investment. You based whether a trade down/up is good or bad based on the player, not based off of some spreadsheet.
First, there has to be someone available that a team would want to trade up for. Maybe Matt Ryan, but doubtful. Second, all teams love to trade down, hardly any ever like to trade up, it's just too expensive and a miss could set your franchise back a ton... Look what happened to us on the DeWayne fiasco...
With salaries the way they are for high first-rounders this has to make sense. If you are very confident that you can get equal talent (that is, someone that you have graded out equally after all the exhaustive research into each potential pick) at a much lower slot, you have to try to trade down. The impact on your cap could be very significant. However, you can't look like the NFL's good-time girl - you have to at least put up a good show, so it might still not be possible if another team doesn't want to trade up that badly. This could be a very tough spot for the Jets.
I'd love to trade down. My ideal draft would be to trade down with Dallas, get 2 first rounders, take Jonathan Stewart with one, Sweed with the other, and either Brohm, a CB, an OT, a DE, or an OLB with the other spot. Jonathan Stewart could be a great value.
I would love to trade down grab Harvey or a CB, then pick up another #2 or #3 depending on how far we trade down.
i think we're gonna trade down if gholston/ long isnt there everyone keeps saying mcfadden but why? we already have 3 running backs. Thomas Jones- solid running back who can go in between the tackles Leon Washington- good scat back Jesse CHatman- played very well last year what would we do with a 4th runner?
Chatman can be cut, he only signed a 1-year deal. Jones is 30, which is like a grandfather in RB years. We're going to need to draft a RB in a year or two, why not take the once-in-a-blue one instead of waiting and hoping we have a draft pick high enough to get a great RB in the future?
Please tell me your once in a blue moon runningback isn't McFadden, because forget about all of the other problems, but he is a speed back, not an every down back. Why would you draft a speed back at #6?
Because he is as much a play maker as Adrian Peterson who also isn't an every down back but the NFL has moved away from a one back system anyway. Why do you think he is considered the best player in the draft? That isn't just a bunch of pro scouts playing an April fools joke on you.
The premise of his threat is that we do not trade with Dallas and do not get two firsts. As for trading into mid round on and gettign a mid round two, I'm all for it. I have my doubts that the guy we want is going to be around at 6, but we can pick up any one of several decent players in the 10-20 range.
That, and being a speed back doesn't necessarily mean he's not an every down back. Look at guys like Marshall Faulk and Terrell Davis; they were speed backs who are most comparable to McFadden who had success as franchise RBs. Now, of course TD broke down from injuries, but he was injury prone even in college. McFadden is not. He'll be able to carry the load in a 2 back system as well as be a very good reciever out of the backfield. I will say that I'm almost just as big a fan of both Mendenhall and Stewart, but I think McFadden just has the highest ceiling of all of them.
