Did I forget to Mention that Eli is better than Chad also? If Chad were there signal caller they would have been gone in the regular season. Did you see Eli make what might be the greatest play in Sb History? You do realize at some point the Qb has to make a play to win the big one.
You also have to have a QB that can take care of the ball and manage the game. If Eli at the beginning of the season was the QB in the last 6 games, they miss the playoffs. For as great a gun slinger Farve is, he won 1 super bowl, Elway couldn't win until the Oline and running game was fixed, Marino was one of the best passers ever, no superbowl wins. You can name a half dozen QB's easily that are better than Eli, who cares he has a ring. You can also name a few QB's who were better than Kellen last year, every QB who played. He was at the bottom of almost every statistical category, but you might as well pencil him in as the franchise because he is not Chad.
And out of all the Quarterbacks the have won a SB all of them are ten times better than Chad. Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won with two of the greatest defenses to step on a Football field. That we don't have! You can not even mention Marino, Farve and Elway in the same breath as Chad! You can name a few Quarterbacks who were better than Chad last year. Everybody who played including KELLEN who went 3-4 with worse talent around him than Chad had in the first 8 games and didn't have a six year resume as a starter. I will pencil Kellen as the starter because Chad has been done for 4 years! Enough is Enough.
Ray Lucas is the one who said he won't be back, I was watching that. Greg Buttle thought he'd be here but that Clemens would be the starter. All agreed that none of the QBs in the draft merit the #6 pick. I don't see a reason to get rid of either guy because I don't see anyone available who is a better fit than the guys we have.
We are not a super bowl team with either one of them so why do you even bother bringing the super bowl up? Clemens was involved in 3 wins, yes. However one was Miami, one was won by the defense and the third, KC was game in which KC played to lose. I keep reading where people think that was some sort of accomplishment. It wasn't. Maybe if he didn't have the worst completion percentage and worst QB rating of anybody in the league last year he might have a future with this team. If that is all he can show after being prepared for the job for a year and a half then you should just assume he will be a career backup.
If you are correct in your assessment of Chad, there is no reason anyone would ever trade for him. You have to assume that other teams know more than we fans do about the trade candidate.
JetInsider makes the assumption (without explaining what his evidence for it is) that Kellen has already won the competition, or that Chad doesn't have a chance in the competition. Neither of these assumptions is a foregone conclusion -- otherwise, the CS and FO of NYJ who know a little bit about the subject, would not have kept talking about an open competition. The longer they wait before trying to trade Chad, the less they will get for him. The more information that comes out about his "losing" the competition (since that is the conclusion on which this trade will be predicated) the less anyone will want him. I think your bias about Chad is coloring your judgment about the NYJ CS with wishful thinking. You can wish all you want, but some evidence would be useful in trying to convince.
I think it's premature to write off Clemens. He's right about where you figure a #2 pick would be--didn't see the field in year one, got some time and took some lumps in year two. He's not a top of the draft franchise type guy, but a high pick who figured to take a few years to step in. Now he's two years into the process and everyone is jumping to conclusions based on limited playing time. The team sucked last year, Pennington is a proven winner and he couldn't win with them, how was Clemens supposed to?
Quote: "...But facts are facts, the guy is no longer phsyically capable of being a quality starter. You have to change the whole gameplan to accomodate floaty short passes..." If you were correct, the CS would not bother with all these professions of an "open competition" -- it is the best way to destroy Chad's trade value, if that is what they have in mind. If the issue is what Chad is owed, the best strategy would be to move Chad before there is any chance that his performance will negatively affect the trade before the draft.
Quote: "...I would agree with you if Kellen came in and had any success, but IMHO he did not. Also, He was not benched until we were statistically out of the playoffs. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Kellen. Your argument for Kellen behind the crappy o-line also is in play for Chad, so we will see what happens...." Chad was the designated starter for the entire off-season. He was left in the position until the CS was convinced there was nothing anyone (even their best QB) could do to overcome the abominable play of any combination of the OL they could come up with. At that point, with the season definitely lost, it was time to give Kellen some valuable playing time. They had never given him a chance for a protracted period of time to play for real. Even though he was fatally hamstrung behind a sieve instead of an OL, he was given every chance to run for his life and throw when he could and hand off when he had the time. This trial-by-fire was not to judge whether he could play or not. This trial-by-fire was to give him the chance to develop when the other side is firing live rounds. This is the BEGINNING of Kellen's career, not the middle or end of it. There is no way that anybody would be given up on after so few starts and under such completely sabotaged conditions as the NYJ in 07. You can look at any successful QB's startup and you will see a lot worse, a lot the same, and very, very few any better (Big Ben was inserted into a great running team with a terrific defense and allowed to play not to lose the game). Kellen will not be judged on last year. But he and Chad will certainly start out on a level playing field in 08 with a rebuilt OL and a jam packed RB stable that will clear a path for play-action throwing, when a change of pace is desirable. If the team runs as well as it is being constructed to, and there's every reason to believe this, then the passing opportunities will be a breeze for any QB with lots of Tom Brady time to set and fire away. Let's get the horses in front of the cart for a change.
Quote: "...You can name a few Quarterbacks who were better than Chad last year. Everybody who played including KELLEN who went 3-4 with worse talent around him than Chad had in the first 8 games and didn't have a six year resume as a starter...." I would suggest that you could have put Tom Brady or Dan Marino or Peyton Manning behind the 07 NYJ OL and the results would be about the same -- every QB needs more than 1.8 seconds to read the defense, choose the open man, set his feet, and throw the ball. Otherwise, just like Tom Brady in the SB, he will get hit 23 or 25 times, get sacked five times and just have a miserable day. If you keep judging Chad and Kellen off of '07, gnashing your teeth will not help you when they go through this compettion in 08, you will just be miserable the whole time. Understand that they were both disadvantaged last year and that the CS is doing something about it and you'll enjoy this year a lot more.
The only way to know for sure if you are right is to see who we take with our 2nd round pick. If it is a QB then you are wrong on all counts. If not then you may be right.
Actually, if we pick a QB on the second pick it has more to do with who the CS / FO have on their Value Board. I don't think that replacing Tui with a rookie just has to change the competition strategy. After all, it's conceivable that any one of the three might win. More likely though it will be won by a QB who has some intimacy with the BS offensive strategy. Raw talent and high IQ still needs to be applied not only on the blackboard but perhaps in a real-live game or two as well. Taking a QB anywhere this year does not necessarily take away from the rebuilt OL / running game emphasis, and QB competition. It might just enhance it.
I would if it would guarantee me the player that I wanted. A return of Chad to the Jets would only happen if he would be the starter. Pennington won't be helping the team with it's cap. That door was closed after he was benched last year. It comes down to the money he wil get if he's on the roster. Paying Chad close to $10M to warm the bench won't be happening.
Except Pennington has publicly said, more than once, that he wants to be a starter... Knowing that, I don't want him on the roster if he is the backup and not happy....
