Yea that what happens when you have an incredible young exciting roster, versus alot OF former probowl has beens. They took their young talent , and they fill their needs with some more young talent. You're doing the opposite Taking former Probowl players(If only this was 2004- you be looking great) and hoping they can reclaim their glory. Good luck. You could say the same thing about the Dynasty Jimmy Johnson Cowboys and baltimore ravens. It didn't happen overnight, but when that young talent mature , it was a thing of beauty.
Pace All-Pro, that is stretching it. Solid I hope for, Pro Bowl will be excellent. We need a pash rush, desparately.
But it didnt take them 5 years with 4 different Coaching Staffs. If we have Mangini for the next 6 years like Cower, its one thing. One CS, one belief to make a winning team. Not a SB team, a winning team. Cower was a winner for a decade before we won it all. He had young talent consistently throughout his time with the Steelers. There is a difference between young good talent and young bad talent. Plus a good owner and a bad owner. You have both of the latters.
Defense Defense Defense...I totally agree. You can name a decent amount of teams that have gone on to win bowls with subpar offenses and great defenses (Ravens/Bucs/Bears come to mind and there are more). You simply cant dominate a conference (well perhaps the NFC in todays market..but certainly not the AFC) without a great defense. Ok, where the hell am I going with this post...oh....lets look at what the front office has done with this roster during the off season. They added bulk...they went after no receivers...no running backs of tremendous worth...no talks of a huge trade to bring in a good qb. This off season has told us one thing. The Jets plan to shove it down your throat on the ground..and shove it back up your butt on defense. The additions on the offensive line might as well have been on the defense. This team will throw short routes and control the ball which controls the clock and keeps other teams offenses on the sidelines...which is my point about improving your offensive line improves your defense. Incredibly, Pennington isnt a bad qb for this gameplan (yes...this is me..and no one has stolen my ID). If the above gameplan is correct..the Jets have their eye on a stud on defense. While going after McFadden and hoping he is the next Barry Sanders is good hollywood stuff..that hasnt been the gameplan this off season. Its about beating the crap out of you on both sides of the ball. Not pretty football...but winning football. If you dont have a Payton Manning or a Tom Brady..this is how you must build a team. Not taking chances that a Matt Ryan or a McFadden will bring your offense to a new level. Thats a gamble. IM NOT SAYING THIS IS ALL GOING TO WORK OUT AND ALL COME TO BE. Im just saying that this is the gameplan. This draft will be about bringing in more guys that can run you down....sprinkled with mid round/late round possible glory (recievers etc). Either the offensive line will perform up to the level that the front office paid for..and the defense will dominate with the free agent pickups and the first draft pick..or they wont. If they dont...MT might be looking for a new job sooner rather then later because thats where he and Mangini have put all of their Easter eggs in one basket. Personally, I love it...because a dominating defense is the most enjoyable/reliable recipe for winning..and something this team hasnt seen in decades.
You are banking on this team having a top 5 D next year. We were 26th last year, i don't think we are going to leapfrog the NFL into pure domination. Its going to take a while for this new team to gel with the new acquisitions. The Jets aren't going to do it in week one. Like Revis not dominating until halfway through the season. IF we have a top 5 defense then throw Tui out there i don't care. But why not have the top 5 defense to lean on while a young kid learns the ropes let it be Clemens or a draft pick or a FA with amazing potenital. But thats only with a proven top 5 D that can single handedly win games. (Bears 06, Ravens 00, TB 02)
Ok, First off, I hear you. Secondly, trust me...as I tried pointing out..Im not a fan of Pennington...at all. If KC is the starter...you will not hear a peep out of me. My point about Pennington is ball control (and Im really not sold on him to even do that). Third, I never said that this team would be a dominating defense from week 1 (if you reread my post, I even say Im not sure this will work..who knows?) . My points were thats the direction the front office is going in. Every high dollar investment was made to bulk up this team and play a much more physical brand of football. Their draft picks that exceled last year were more of the same. People look at the offensive line signings and say "ok...now perhaps they can protect the qb". While that is the goal, that was second in their mind. They want to dominate the line of scrimmage..run first. A Tom Brady or Payton Manning or any very good qb passes to set up the run. This Jet team, they are not hiding what the goal is this year...run the ball. The thread title is to get a dominating defense first and foremost. Nobody is saying that will come in week 1. I certainly wouldnt be surprised if this defense kicks it into high gear by week 8.
Problem is, Revis and Harris are arguably the best players at their position in the draft. Harris is like 1B to Willis' 1A. I mean besides for Grubbs/Sears there's not really anyone we passed up that was a better talent + need combo than either Harris or Revis. And in the later rounds...well last years draft sucked. We actually ended up with one of my favorite 3-4 DL sleepers (Kareem Brown) anyway. If I were Mangini, I'd pull those same trades 100 times out of 100. Maybe 99 out of 100 because we somehow strike a deal up for Carriker, the other guy I really liked for us last year.
Weren't we actually 18th last year? 9th in passing and 29th in russing? Seems if we can stop the rush a little better and get some pressure on the QB we could be much improved. We have already put some pieces in place to do both.
Lets Look at Raiders talent. First off Raiders were top five defense the previous year(Fact) The defense due mostly to injuries and some guys not playing as well slipped alot in 2007. Last year in Kiffin First year. THe offense proved it could run the ball consistantly well. (sixth best) Lets see I don't care what team your talking about if you can run the football (top six in 2007) and are a top five defense(Not a stretch as they were in 2006 + Upgrades on defense) and your going to be in hunt for the playoffs. That isn't even counting on the other improvements made in the offense. Lets Look at the GIVen. Raiders defense is going to be scary good. They have the best secondary in football(no team can match their depth in the secondary.(want to dispute that one) SeconD Raiders Have two of the best Cover LBs KIrk Morrison and THomas HOward- This guy is so good in coverage that he lined up at OLB, Safety and even cb(6'3 240)( want to dispute this one) Raiders have one of the best Cover safeties in Michael Huff. (HE literally takes out the best TEs in the game) . Raiders have one of ther best pass rushers In D Burgess over the last three years(never was healthy in 2007 and it hurt the defense) You don't want to get in obvious passing situations with the Raiders ,as they have alot of Guys that are very good in coverage. It all comes downto stopping the run. First with two shutdown cbs , ITs going to help the run tremendouisly as you can put more defenders in the box. Second Raiders upgraded their tackling(Gibril Wilson a big upgrade) and Deangelo Hall (another pretty good tackler) Third they upgraded some Positions. Tom Kelly a bigtime upgrade to W Sapp in the running game. and I expect D Burgess to be Moved to RDE as hes a much better natchup for LT in the runnning game than against massive Rt. Also has the 265 pounds SSLB Sam Williams )Raiders best run defender) behind him for support. Raiders defense should be top five. NOw ON to the offense. Raiders backfield is pretty much set. The trio of J Fargas, M Bush and D Rhodes(should have been superbowl MVP in 2006). Two Young stud FBs- J Griffith(can do it all) Oren Oneal - a devasting lead blocker who just destroys anything in front of him. TE Position is set. Zach miller - was everything advertised to be. Tremendous blocker and very good pass catcher. Number wil improve tremendously with Russell(as he proved toi be Russell Favorite target) John Madsen this former WR, is very dangerous pass catcher. Raiders have their blocking TE in Fred wakefield 6'7 295(like having another Olineman) Raiders WR- Raiders wr are alot better than the numbers. Just that they didn't have a consistant QB. Those guys were tremendous blocking for the run. Raiders on paper upgraded rhis position. Javon Walker is a number 1 WR if Healthy(I feel veryu good Raiders medical staff passed him as they are very tough- Don't see them Missing the stuff wrong with the Vilmas and Robertson) R Curry - number 2 and Raiders added a big sized speed threat IN Drew carter 6'3 200. Really the only question on Raiders oline is probably LT. LG gallery, C Jeremy Newberry(i expect him tobe brought back) RG Cooper carlise( can't ask for anything more as he was rock Solid.) That interior is very solid in both pass and Run blocking. RT the way Pat MCQuistan Played in the second half has to be starter going to into training camp. Guy is tremendous run blocker(alot Raiders big runs were behind him and Carlise) Did a fine job on pass rushers. ( well when you are in alot of third down running situations. Your going to do well against pass rushers. Lets see what raiders have done they signed 26 Year old Kwame harris 6'7 320. Their Oline coach believes hes a very good fit for his system at LT. I wouldn't doubt him. Look what he did for Kevin Shaffer who looked great playing LT in his system. (atlanta) Got a big contract with Browns and they had to move him to RT as he didn't play as well in a diffrent system.(Typical with alot of these zone blockers) Raiders aren't putting all there eggs in K harris basket. They have last year third rounder mario Henderson- Former power forward has incredible wingspan and the feet to plat LT- . Letrs see IGF Tom cable can bring him along alot quickly. Mark Wilson another guy that will be competing for thyat Lt Job. IT wouldn't be supprising if the Raiders went with Ryan Clady In the draft. First off played in similiar system . Second K Harris would compete with Mcquistan for the starting RT job. Suddenly the oline would be equally effective in run blocking and pass blocking. Now Raiders have a franchise QB behind center- He is in avery good situation as he has a running game to lean on and a very stout defense. Just protect the football son. Again I said it before Raiders have less needs than the Jets heading into this draft. That was orginal arguement for silly statement Don Had. So far haven't seen anyone try to dispute that.
You're right i was thinking of our offense which was 26th. In that case with the acquisitions we have we could jump 10 spots and be 8th. Time will tell.
I'll admit you do a good job talking your team up, and they sound like winners and that this is a team destined for a superbowl run. But the fact remains that 6 wins has been out of reach of for this team. Maybe your due for 6-7 wins. Yay for the Raiders. I can't argue that your secondary has been pushed to the top of the list, with 4 DBs being fully capable of doing the jobs well. Aso,Hall,Washingon,Huff. Most teams desire that. The new pass rush for the Raiders is yet to be seen, due to the injuries and the departure of Sapp. Tommy Kelly has to be a 2008 All-Pro, because his contract says so. The only knowledge I have of your offensive line is that they still aren't very good, like ours last year, but only 2 teams were worse than ours, and i dont believe yours was one of them. But the Jets fixed the line so we should be ok. Needs between the 2 teams. Well we both need WRs. I wouldn't count on Walkers knee or demeanor in the locker room to help anything. We need a CB for opposite Revis and we are set. We had the 9th rated secondary, which means we need one more good CB to stay there since we haven't resigned anyone. Your LT is a huge factor in an offense. You only have one once its proven that player can hold the position. Reach 6-8 wins, and what your saying will be true. Continue on this tirade of "We are so amazing, watch what these young kids do" and continue to miss 6 wins, and i will continue not to take you seriously. You do have less needs than the Jets, maybe. I don't know your team extensively, so i can't dispute it. But your needs are off the field with the CS and FO. You can't argue that From Al Davis down- your organization is a pure mess. Until that is solved, don't expect to go anywhere.
Jets are so far from having a very good defense. Jets have no pass rushers, NO Cover LBs and no depth at CB/safety. Last year Jets defense improved not because of their talent(below average) butanother gimmick employed my mangini. (standing up his defenseline at line of scrimmage) Those things only work so long(like the excotic Blitz packages the year before- Patriots figured out in the playoffs and embarrassed Jets defense) Only way Jets will get a top defense,is if they severly upgrade their talent on defense. Gimmicks only work so long. The good defense can line up their talent and dictate to an offense. Expect Jets defense to be a non factor agpain next season.
With all this young exciting talent on the Raiders these last few years it really is amazing that the team cant win more than 5 games.
If i go stat for stat with the Raiders, The Jets somehow did better. We were 29th in rushing. 29th!!....... The Raiders were 31st.... wow. In Passing D, The Raiders were ahead by one Rank... hats off In Scoring D, Jets win by a handful of spots. Sacks-- How did anyone have less than the Jets?? Interesting Fact We had 1200 tackles this year, the most in the NFL- You had the second to last, a thousand less... but this stat means nothing. You had more picks, as your better secondary should. So we win in stats 4-2... but we both went 4-12 and you had an extremely easier schedule... why is your team primed to better? You've had an easier schedule for 5 years? We added to our D, Pace and Jenkins are yet to be seen but they are here and they can do better the Hobson and DRob.
Couple things F washington is probably the odd man out. as he probably will be going to Browns or Steelers.( best trade) Giant Import Gibril Wilson will man one of the safety spot with Huff. Stanford Routt in time might be the best of raiders CB(big CB 6'1 195- 4.29 speed and good tackler) will be the third CB (probably play outside with Hall sliding inside) Raiders have their developmental prospect John bowie (Great Size and Burner ) Raider pass rush will be fine. Even IF they don't do anything in draft(highlyunlikely) Derrick Burgess who was never healthy all year(has been one of the top sackers in NFL last couple of season) Gerard Warren and Tom Kelly are very good pass rushers at DT) Kelly might not put up great sacks numbers but the attention teams show him, means better number for Burgess. Raiders could Make Thomas Howard the situational pass rusher , he easily would put up equal or better sack numbers than Chris Clemons(lost in Fa) . Raiders probbaly would need to find someone to relieve Howard from HIs coverage responsibilties. ( He looks like a CB even at 240 in Coverage ,and Raiders are not afraid to put him one on one with any RB or Wr for that matter. Raiders underutilize Howards pass rush abilities as they are depended heavily on him in coverage. In the ENd I think they will get a situational pass rusher in the draft. Raiders defense is all about stopping the run. Teams don't want to get in obvious passing downs as Raiders just have too much in coverage. (not only secondary but Lbs) LIke I said there was no question Raiders oline was one of the best run blocking units in football.( Oline coached bY Cable has always been good run blockers) Their interior was solid in both pass and Run blocking. They didn't have the best pass Blockers at Tackle. IN The Raiders Blocking scheme Stretch and CUT (Denvers) you are looking for a diffrent type of blocker . Typical In that blocking scheme you don't draft Olineman that high. Your Looking for a diffrent type of Blocker, that probably wouldn't be a good fit for other teams blocking schemes. Thats why its not a stretch that Kwame harris or Mario Henderson could be the answer at LT.(both have wingspan and feet to play there) With THat said you really don't need very good pass blocking OTs, if you can run the ball as well as Raiders did last season. Reason being you never get in obvious passing situations. IF your getting alot of third and short- the top pass rushers can;t fire off the ball as they have to worry about the possible run. Case In Point The Great Denver teams were never great pass blockers.(they didn't have to be) NOw when you can run the football that well, It opens up some big plays with the playaction passes. Jamarcus Russell has a laser arm. ONE false step and it could be all over for a DB. Javon walker when Healthy is legitimate number 1 WR. Raiders don't miss anything on physicals. They signed him so I expect his Knee to be satisfactory. James Lofton Raiders New WR coach will be asked to coach up some of the young wrs(something he did very welll for the Chargers) Raiders defense dosen't dominate- Raiders DC should never get another coaching job.
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