ANYONE but Pennington

I think everyone is afraid of the uncertainty we are getting with someone else. Thats why people love Pennington so much- they are used to him... but i feel like the proponents of Chad are like his abused wives-- no matter how many times he cripples them, they love him and hope that the next time its different. We saw last year how the out route was called for and his throw did not get there, ending the game in a pick 6 (NYG,CIN,NE-06). Thats when i knew that he was done for his career. His injury plagued career. One 16 game season in almost 10 years- that is not someone who you put 100% investment into. He is a brilliant QB at reading coverages, but he is not someone who can lead us past the Wild Card game post 2004. The rotator cuff surgery is like a horse coming up lame- it has to be put down... No QB has ever gone on to be successful after one, let alone two. He had the most INTs after the surgery and it has weakened his arm to the point where if its not a 12 yrd pass max it can be picked off. I liked Chad back in 2002-2004... but after the surgery he is not the same and cannot hold this team back by starting again. New era, new QB- Clemens or someone else, but the someone else has to be drafted another year, for Clemens needs to at least have 16 games to prove himself. We don't know shit from last year--- it almost doesn't count.


Welcome to the next great QB discussion that will go 8 pages long. Gas on the Fire.

When the New York Jets have no QB disputes, and we have a clear cut starter we love and are all 100% behind-- we can go far as a franchise, until then... enjoy hell.

 

Please we were a fucking field goal away from the AFC championship game in 2004 and you're telling me Pennington has nothing to offer. Listen, while I agree that Penny's best days are over here in NY you can't honestly believe that he is not an adequate QB WITH a good supporting cast around him (I emphasize the with). Don't be ridiculous. No he doesn't have an arm that can throw with any type of real velocity but he can make all the throws and he's also top five most intelligent quarterbacks in the league. That's gotta count for something, after all he's had two seasons with us now of taking us into the playoffs.

 

The letters in the thread title "ABP" (Anyone but Pennington) made me think of "AVP" (Alien vs. Predator)

I found this picture:



Can anyone with PS skills change that V to a B and add Clemens and Flacco's pictures in there? Tagline "Anyone but Pennington" on the bottom. Think it would make a funny sig.

 

He'll make a good QB coach when he finally stops pretending to be an NFL QB...

 

We are f**kin 7 MONTHS away from the start of the season. Are we going to have this thread rolling until September..Gimme the gun to the temple..please Lets start debating this during training camp when any and if a competition is going to happen,this is way too painful now..I'm beggin you!

 

Most people on this board don't even think QB is a need of the team. You can't sell PSL to corporations that are retrenching in a deep financial recession with a lossing team in NY. This year is all about having a decent team not a great one. If Pennington is on the team come June 1 the intention will be to start him salvage the season to sell PSL and tickets to the new stadium. The Jets have a big financial interest in having a winning season this year. In the current climate in financials in NYC the waiting list for season ticket holders is about as meaningless as Bear Sterns Friday clossing stock price.

 

I was thinking that the draft will will be a big indicator of who's going to be starting next season. I figure if we take Flacco, who the Jets seem to be high on, Clemens is a goner and we'll get another season of CP at the helm. If we don't take a QB then it's likely Clemens gets the reigns this season.

Is Flacco or Ryan worth another season with CP at the helm? With all the moves made so far this offseason, it looks like the Jets are gearing up to try and grind it out on the ground and win with defense. I think thats a smart move, but it's also just the kind of situation that Pennington would require to be successful.

 

I dunno, take Flacco (or ideally someone later - Brennan in R6?) now, sit him behind KC for 2 years, maybe 3, if Kellen is great then we have a backup with some value, if Kellen sucks we have a guy who's been in the system and had a chance to work on the flaws that saw him drafted so low.

 

Exactly right...this is ALL about this year. Why people can't see that is beyond my comprehension. And everything they do in the draft will just further that. I just can't see them taking anybody to be a project or to sit on the bench. At least not on day 1.

 

he absolutely cannot make all the throws required of an NFL QB and as of late his intelligence(translation: decision making) has been very poor.

I think it is unfair to say that Chad gives our team the best chance to win... unless you feel that last season was enough to evaluate what Clemens ceiling is? I can't see how anyone can have written the book on Clemens yet - but hey - to each his own.

 

Again, he has had 2 shoulder surgeries since the 2004 season. He is not the same players he was in 2004 and that was just adequate. Base your opinion on last year only, the post surgery Pennington. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I have never been a big Pennington fan. I was all for giving Clemens a shot last year. However, he is still the all time career percentage leader and that only went up last year. We all know those are all short passes but what does it matters long as they are 4 yards or more? If Clemens could have done that maybe we would have won a few more games last year.

I can't see him going anywhere unless we get something of value back.

 

Pennington made the right decisions when he had the time to make them, and had a running game and recievers who dont drop balls. Yes his skills have diminished but his decision making is dificult to judge due to the situations he was put in. No line , makes for no running game. Not hard to intercept a ball when you know a pass is definetly coming. Now we have a line , which should establish a running game. MaCcantcatch is gone. Two established TE's who could be used in the red zone effectively. Something we didnt have. We were quite one dimensional in the red zone . I would take a 5 yard pass over a rocket incompletion every time. Yet let the competition begin. Kellen can show some improvement from last year, bring him in

 

Quincy Carter high on crack went 2 and 1 with that team. The only reason we were within a FG of the finals that game is Chad sucked in that game.

 

As did Rothlisberger. Pennington went 21/33 for 182 yards and a pick. Rothlisberger went 17/30 for 181 yards and 2 picks. Throw in a Bettis lost fumble and Pennington did just enough to win..no way to look at it other than Brien cost us the game.

 

You see one game per week (which is approximately 3 hours out of 60 -70 that Chad is practicing/studying with the team) and you know that he is a cancer in the locker room and will undermine KC? You must be in the locker room during the season then.

I am a KC fan but truly believe CP will help the team and KC along this season. Chad will be an asset to KC if he is still here. Saying that Chad is a cancer is just rediculous.

 

You left out the TD run back by Moss. Roethlisberger, our D and specials gave us the game. Pennington was awful and when we had the game in hand as soon as we got near FG position he slowed the tempo down and stalled the team leaving us out of Brien's range in those conditions.

 

I was just saying that Pennington was no worse than Rothisberger..in fact he was better. Brien made a 42 yarder and missed a 43 to win it. I don't think anybody thought that was out of range. And I don't think you can blame anybody but Edwards for the assinine calls late in the game.

 

Roethlisberger was a rookie QB. He couldn't have been expected to do amazingly well. Pennington was in his 3rd non-full season of starting with 2 years holding the clipboard.