DE:Ellis NT:Jenkins DE:Coleman OLBace ILB:Harris ILB:Barton OLB:Thomas CB:Revis SS:Elam FS:Rhodes CB:Barrett That's looking pretty solid. Whats the weakest link in this armor now? CB opposite Revis? ILB next to Harris? DE? All are definitely serviceable and I would expect at least some of these to be strengthened with the draft. Our D is on pace (Pun intended) to be pretty strong.
was our defense really that bad last year? we were in the middle of the pack i hope this works out but its our offense that sucks we were 6th to last last year i believe. faneca will help but god get some playmakers
Barton, Elam and Barrett need to be replaced. 1. I think they should look into this year's draft for another ILB, a la Harris. 2. If he comes cheap, I wouldn't complain with Eugene Wilson at Elam's spot. 3. Even with Pace signing, I still think the Jets should draft Gholston if he's there at 6. 4. I'd like to see some more wheeling and dealing for the second CB, but again, I won't complain if they pick up someone serviceable at 4th round.
Our need are DE, ILB, CB and maybe S. There are some good 34 DEs in the draft this year...Balmer, C Campbell, D Moore, Merling. If we trade down Balmer or merling could be in our sites. I don't like the Barton/Kassell situation at ILB though (none in the draft either)
Huh? Did you just reads what you posted? THat's not a "pretty solid" defense at all. That's still complete shit. The D-line, while it gained a lot of size and should be solid against the run, completely lacks pass-rsuhing ability. Which means that we'd need an exceptional strong defensive backfield, which we don't. We only have one CB and one Safety. Last I checked, you can't only play defense on one side of the field.
Here's how I see our defense. Get another cornerback, pick up some depth in terms of ILB and DE through the draft, and peripherally focus on the SS position. Outside of that, I want us to take a stronger look at WR...but that's another story.
Agreed that this group needs to demonstrate that they can rush the passer consistently. On paper, run defense looks improved but we don't know how this group will do vs. the pass.
hahaa, dumb post. The Dline isnt suppose to rush the pass..And we do have a strong backfield, look at last years stats, and Im sure theyll sign a few more players to it anyway. You cant have ProBowlers at every position. Thats a solid D, even without the players/starters well be getting in the draft and whatnot.
It's a solid defense on paper, but the entire front 7 needs to show they can get to the QB. Pace better put up some sack #s for the money he's getting. Thomas better remember how to get to the QB, or 2008 is going to be another long year.
...the d-linemen are supposed to take up blockers to create space for the linebackers. I don't except Coleman, Ellis, and Jenkins to get many sacks, because that's not really what they're supposed to do in this system. Hopefully, Thomas and Pace will provide us with a solid pass rush.
So does Kenyon Coleman. After the signing of Pace(I was liking Gholston with the sixth pick), I'm now hoping the Jets trade down for two players. One being a defensive end to start in his place.
If you look at the successful 3-4 defenses, just about every player in the front 7 could get to the QB. Look at Pittsburgh, Buffalo (Bruce Smith), Pats (McGinest, Seymour), even Carolina when they played a 3-4 under Dom Capers, the d-ends, at least, could rush the QB. I hear you about Jenkins, but that "occupy blockers" stuff only works if the other guys can get through.
Our secondary is better right now than the one that just won a Super Bowl! Relax at bit and enjoy the moment...
No, but they need to create a push.. This myth that the DL in a 3-4 do not need to have pass-rush ability is just that, a myth. No, you're not looking for speed rushers on the DL when you run a 3-4, and no, they're not going to be racking up the sacks, but they NEED to be capable of pushing the pocket, and opening things up for the LBs and other blitzers. Holding their ground and eating up blocks is all well and good when defending the run, but it is NOT enough against the pass. Kenyon Coleman, save for the occassional flash, is not suited to do so, and Ellis has become less and less consistent in that respect in recent years.... Right now, this defense needs a new S next to Rhodes, and Miller to step up, or a better CB opposite Revis. We also need much improved play out of our DEs, and for Thomas and Pace to prove that neither is a one-year wonder. We could also use a replacement for Barton, but he is serviceable right now.... The point is, this defense has many, many question marks right now. We've certainly improved, but we still have a bunch if guys with a lot to prove, and a couple real holes....
I still think Gholston will be drafted as a pure pass rusher and with 3 4th rounders i can see us getting our ILB and SS there (Beau Bell, Ezra Butler and Silva Zbkowski) and WR i'd like to pick up in the 2nd or trade down from #6 and get the WR and CB in the end of 1 and 2. If Tanny is wheelin and dealin now, wait till the end of April.
Lets draft Gholston at 6, our starting cornerback in round 2- Round 4 we can draft a lineman, ILB and DE I rather build a dominant turnover creating defense for this season. We can worry about offensive playmarkers next off-season. We can enter 2008 with an elite defense, elite special teams and at least an adequate offense. This will allow us to make the playoffs and challenge the Patriots for the division.
