Quote:..."No question. However, when your QB can not throw down field it changes everything..." I thought this was a very good point regarding your own: Quote: "...I never understood the deep ball knock on Chad. He is deadly accurate with his deep balls. They're always right on the money, where only the receiver can catch it. You don't really see receivers having to adjust to or wait for Chad's deep balls...." In the second or third game this year, Chad throws a 40 yard fly that LC catches over his shoulder in stride for a touchdown. This happens at the very beginning of the game before the pass rush has had a chance to take over and the DBs can confidently sit on the short routes because all they're giving the NYJs is 1.3 seconds now. The announcers were stunned into silence by this because both of them had just been talking about Chad's lack of arm strength. Later on in the season, before the switch to Kellen, in the waning seconds of another meaningless now-out-of-reach game, the NYJ CS instructed Chad to throw one "Hail Mary" after another from the 50 yard line, until Cotch catches one 50 yards in the air high arch "Hail Mary" finally on fourth down for a meaningless touchdown with less than 10 seconds to play. Now the fact that the NYJ CS are trying to make some kind of statement with these "Hail Mary's" at the end of this game is not remarked on by the announcers who are anxious to "get on with it". But the NYJ CS had a reason to say something about Chad with these calls. If he had had a true "spaghetti arm" none of those "Hail Mary's" from the 50 yard line at the end of a long, fruitless game would have made it down there. The fact that they all did and Cotch finally caught one for TD was what the CS was looking for: "This one's not on you Chad." "You're sitting down, now, Chad, because there's nothing you can do to overcome what's wrong with this team and win. You're sitting down, now, Chad, because we have to get Kellen in the game and build up his experience. Be a team player, Chad. It's not your fault alone." And he did just that, he took eight of them on the bench for the NYJ. He worked his butt off on every play and made damned sure that Kellen got the benefit of it. All the players had their eyes on him. All the time. He was the captain for all sixteen games, and he rode the sidelines and stayed in the game as best he could. The team remarked on his steadfastness. And they were each steadfast throughout that fruitless season, and one of the reasons they were was Chad. Chad made them understand that they all owed it to Kellen to hang in there and do everything they could think of to win, even if they didn't last time, or this time, or next time. I'm sure a lot of us were thinking the whole time, "What's the point?" I think that's what Mangini was looking for.
kellen is better than chad period, go to wins and losses last year. You chad lovers gotta realize that kellen got more out of same team with worse stats than chad and he is only gonna get better, unlike chad who after his surgeries is on the decline, time to be real
If Chad was a Giant, the 35 yard pass to Tyree does not happen in a million years; Chad goes down after the first or second guy touches him; even if Chad escapes he would not have taken the chance to throw it down field; he would have thrown to a 5 yard safety valve or thrown it out of bounds. I like Chad, but now is the time to deal him while he is still worth something and can be very productive for another team. I am in no way saying Chad is bad; he is just not the right fit for the Jets at this time with our given personnel situation. Is Clemens better - realistically, I don't think there is anyone alive that can tell you that with credibility. The only thing that can be said is that Clemens is more mobile, faster on foot, and has a stronger arm - gamesmanship and having full control of the mental part of the game are things that we have yet to see confidently. Give him a line to work with in 2008 and a reliable running game and then lets make our minds up. Without the complimentary tools we don't know if we have a Favre or a Fart.
this post was dumb. what will haunt us for years is duck sauce's contract if he doesnt get the boot. hes dead weight. someone the other day asked me if pennington is still alive. i found it quite amusing nobody is worth over 4 mil a yr to hold a clipboard. anyways wish him the best of luck but hope he never starts for us again
Those of you who want to judge Clemens after 8 games with the offense we had are Chad apoligists like Dan Leberfeld or just don't know football. While I was hoping to see more, the bottom line is he got some playing time under his belt and that will give him the experience to come back next year ready and hopefully become a winning QB. Will he, who knows? But at least he showed good arm strenght and toughness. We have no choice but to hope he beats out Chad because if he can not do that, then we are screwed.
I think both Chad and Kellen are getting a bum rap because of a bad OL. I think both Chad and Kellen behind a reasonable OL that pass blocks well and run blocks well can win games -- a lot of games -- with these skill players. This is not apologizing for either of them. This is asking for a whole team to determine how Chad and Kellen are doing for the NYJ. This is hardly too much to ask, in my opinion. You don't build a whole team in a single year. But I do think that we're in a much better position if we concentrate on our weaknesses (the OL and the DL) to go deep in the playoffs next year.
Judging Kellen after this 8 game audition is not a viable position to take. You have to provide Kellen with an OL that can pass block well and run block well before you can tell how well he will do for the NYJ.
Why do you think that the NYJ CS will give Chad the chance to compete with Kellen who clearly has a stronger arm if Chad couldn't make all the throws in their judgement?
Aw for fuck sake man , Neither Chad nor Kellen is the answear. Bottom line , Kellen has the arm but no brain. Chad has the brain but no arm , can we glue Chads head to Kellen? No. We don't have the QB to take us to the big one.....no wait we have Bard Smith :rofl:
Don't go making me hunt for quotes , check out NFL.com or some of the other threads here that say theres going to be a (*sniggers) competition for QB. I'll vBet all my vCash on Kellen beating out Chad . Competition my ass.
Kellen has no brain? That's a new one. Are you Chad's agent or the editor for Jets Confidential? Are you serious or just goofing on this pro Chad stuff. I can believe that anyone who watched " The dink and dunk" passing game believes its just the offensive line. I don't care how far he throws it in the air. The QB can not make all throws and limits us. The pre shoulder surgery Chad got by, the post 2 surgeries can not
Oh sheeet! All I saw from the front page was " Pennington got a raw...." :rofl: Pennington didnt get a raw deal. He used to be the face and future of this franchise. As much as I love him as a gutsy player with intangibles, his arm is shot and cannot be any part of the future of this franchise. Its the freakin QB position for God's sake...it needs to be a position filled by a solid player, which he is not anymore.
You can question anything anyone says. That's fair. But given Chad's behavior this year, if he agreed with you (and his father, by the way) I suspect he would already be gone.
I don't think you can judge his arm from this year without an effective OL. Kellen has a stronger arm but it didn't help him outrun the pass rush. I recommend you take a look at that deep fly in the beginning of game two or three to LC for a touchdown. This was possible because it was in the very first series and the DL had not busted the mouths of the OL just yet. It happened soon enough thereafter, though. The DL busted up the OL, dropped the QB's time from snap to act to about 1.3 seconds, and the DBs just sat down laughing on all the short routes. Dan Marino would have had a hard time catching his breath, let alone connecting with anybody. Check out Tom Brady in the SB -- the Giants DL pass rush and blitzers stomped out his OL and he dropped down percipitously from an average of 35 points and he managed just about 14 points by the end of the game. He only managed 13 points offensively against the Jets Def in the 2nd game and he didn't throw a single touchdown. Just before Chad was benched the NYJ CS had him throw four (4) "Hail Mary's" in a row from the 50 yard line and he actually connected for a TD on fourth down ...it was of course meaningless by then with 10 seconds to go. And the Defense was just laughing to themselves with the game so well out of reach, the TD was just a joke. I think we just have to wait and see how Chad and Kellen shake out this year. May the best QB win. Even so, we will need them both -- especially if we have a good OL for pass blocking and run blocking.
Forget it, man. You'll never convince them. If/when the Jets get an offensive line that actually protects the QB and opens holes for Jones, they'll still say he's overrated. It's the "glass is always half empty" syndrome that you just can't do anything about.
