Pennington got a raw deal...and this may haunt us for years...

I would say that the average quarterback needs about 3.5 to 4 seconds to do anything with the ball. And that is when he knows what everbody's supposed to be doing on the field, and they actually do what they're supposed to on time.

This takes a more than adequate OL that's consistent play after play.

So if you take the trouble to chart the plays of the Pats' offense in the Super Bowl, and you will see that when an OL gets beat the skill players have no place to go. Now that's the difference between the offense scoring 35 points a game and 14 (Giants in SB) or 13 (NYJ in 2nd game of 07).

 

Absolute rubbish!

So if we had Peyton Manning behind our O line he wouldn't be any good?

 

I don't think it is as much about how much time the QB has left in the game, as it is about how much time his OL gives him at each snap off the ball before he's inundated with hard-charging Big Uglies.

 

When Eli has no time he gets sacked. Check it out. An immutable fact.

 

Back to the point of Chad and Kellen , you seriously believe that if either of these is given 3.5-4.0 seconds average to move the ball they'll be excellent?

 

Despite winning the SB , Eli is still not one of the elite QBs in the league , he gets sacked because he runs around like a headless chicken. The pocket beaks down and they don't know which way hes scrambling , he goes left they go left and whoop! Hes going right , smack! And theres a simularity between him and Kellen.

 

Then it`s going to really suck for you b/c Kellen will be the QB

 

Yes , yes it will again. Despite the 'open competition' for the spot :wink:

 

And our horrible offensive line.

Now come on guys, stop the damn Pennington threads. If you think the guy can still play then go back and watch some tape of 07. If after that you still think he can play then go get yourself a football almanac and learn about the sport.

We love what you did for us in the past Chad, but your time here is over.

 

When the QB runs out of time, and he has to change position or get mashed, the WRs start guessing how to help him out. Sometimes they guess right (see Tyree's breaking off the post in the SB, but he was almost too late), but some times they don't. Eli had a helluva time guessing right with Shockey shen the OL got beaten. But Boss wasn't nearly as creative as Jeremy, so he and Eli had a better chance together.

I know the television camera focuses on the ball (which the QB hasn't been able to throw yet) but to understand what really happens on the play, you will have to take a couple more looks.

If every player whose asked about it says this, I can't see why we as fans should expect to have seen everything from the first take.

Of course, it also helps us to remember that this is the ultimate team game. That will make the "seeming chaos" that we're tempted to call mindless flailing, a lot more comprehensible, after all.

 

Either you don't believe the NYJ CS has any eye or judgment, or you are judging about 1/4 of the game to put it all on the hapless QB behind a sieve of a line. Chad Pennington won a competition at quarterback.

A lot of people thought (wrongly) that there was no comparison between Pennington's pre-season play (where he role-played for line experiments) and Kellen's pre-season play (where he was asked to go all out and try and win the game).

I would say that on any given play, the QB is 25% of the process, and the WRs or RBs are 25% of the process -- BUT on either a RUN or a PASS, the OL is ALWAYS at least 50% of the process.

And in some cases (when the WRs or the RBs are not also primary blockers) the OL is 10% or 20% more of the process.

On an offensive play you have to judge the whole team.

 

It is the offensive line. Anyone that complains about Kellen's happy feet didn't watch Chad enough. He prematurely scrambled, too, because the pocket collapsed so quickly on a regular basis that the few times that it held up, our qb, whichever one was in, was too used to scrambling to stay put. The only problem is that Chad has the mobility of a slug in a salt storm. Get him in the open and he is dead. Kellen at least has some wheels. Not speed, but QB speed.

I never understood the deep ball knock on Chad. He is deadly accurate with his deep balls. They're always right on the money, where only the receiver can catch it. You don't really see receivers having to adjust to or wait for Chad's deep balls. His major weaknesses are velocity and mobility, which on their own cause the defense to creep up and play more aggressively, but when combined are something else entirely. I love Chad as much as the next guy but leave the ball in Kellen's hands, see what he can do with an offensive line. We know what Chad can do with one. We don't know what the youngster can do.

 

Whoever is certainly a better option than Chad at this point. At least with whoever there is hope for change instead of the same old failed attempts to move forward.

 

When the defense is confronted with a violent OL that likes to kick and stick and maul -- no matter whether it's a pass or it's a run and you can't really tell what it is anymore since you're flat on your back -- that defense doesn't know if Leon's dancing around them, or Cotch is catching a butt-n-hook, or LC has already beaten the safety on a fly, or Thomas has jumped through the hole and slashed up the middle for 12 yards.

It is the OL that dictates the uncertainty, changes the defense's mind, and takes away all of their initiative.

I realize this must seem like some slight-of-hand to the great unwashed fandom as they look up over their popcorn bags to see "what happened?"

But when the OL pass blocks WELL and run blocks WELL, the defense is forced to defend itself from these monsters who get the first lick in and the skill players get to have their way with them.

Everybody seems to think the only people hitting out there are the defense. It's the OL that gets to hit the other guy first. That's the rule. But it takes a helluva OL to take advantage of the rule. And that's just exactly what we need.

 

Many of the Qb's who have won Super Bowls looked as bad as Clemens did this year or worse in their first year on the job. QB is the hardest position to play well as you're learning it.

Some QB's that really stunk up the joint in their first or second seasons on the job:

Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Troy Aikman, Joe Theismann, Bart Starr and Steve Young.

Those guys all had problems at the start and all of them won Super Bowls down the road, three of them winning multiple Super Bowls at the heart of a dynasty.

They all had the same problem at the start of their careers: their team sucked goat balls. All of them started winning as soon as the team's talent level improved or they got off the team onto a decent team.

The odds on Kellen Clemens joining the list above depend mostly on luck, but they require an extreme talent upgrade on the Jets or a move to another team before they have any hope at all of panning out.

 

Yeah but the Giant "bum" has the ability to hit 30mph on the radar gun.

I would rather be one of the half of NFL teams searching for a qb then have one that can throw the ball through a kleenex tissue. Its that simple.

The Jets can search for a qb until 2040 and that doesnt mean you have to settle for a qb that the rest of the NFL has figured out. He had success for the first couple years until dc's around the league started whispering "hey..this guy cant throw the ball hard....LIKE EVER" and then poof..he became avearge.

So this spring, we will read articles about how Chad worked out all winter and spring and that he looks in great shape and hopefully that translates into arm strength until the first preseason game when he lollipops his first pass and gets one of his receivers a record breaking 15th concussion.